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Plane Movies...Realistic?  
User currently offlineFlyGirl757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

In feature films, I love plane scenes...people jumping out of planes...explosions on planes, crashes, turbulence, etc...

But, how realistic are these images?

Some of my favorites are AirForce One, Passenger 57 and Top Gun. Were those pretty realistic as far as the effects that they used and the situations they were in?

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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

Unfortunately, most movies that have planes in them are unrealistic. Air Force One and Passenger 57 have questionable scenes. The 747 would never have been able to take off like it did in Air Force One. In '57, Snipes would not have been able to climb through the landing gear etc like he did.

Top Gun overall had realistic flying and situations for combat, but again Hollywood takes liberties when they make these movies. Take Top Gun for instance, there is no trophy or point system. You are graded but that grade is just for you. You do fly alot but more time studying aerodynamics and different equipment etc. Also, they would never fly out the "Top Guns" from Miramar to a carrier to fly in hostile action like they do at the end of the movie.



"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineFlyGirl757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Yeah...I suppose Hollywood WOULD exaggerate a little.

Are there any films that you have seen that have been VERY realistic? If so, which?

P.S.) What are your all-time favorite plane films?


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

I've never seen one.

The reality is that Hollywood makes airliners bigger, less noisier, and generally not accurate in their depictions. It depends on the film, of course.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineSpotterboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

You want to see a realistic film with lots of aircraft...?

Take Harry's Airport Specials...  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3790 times:

What I find so amusing is how much space there is on airliners in movies. There's always lots of space both above and below the passenger cabin for terrorists or special forces teams to climb around in.  Smile (See "Executive Decision" for a prime example)

User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

"Airport"-the original 1970 movie. The 180 degree slide the 707 does a the end of the runway is real......The stunt crew came in a little hot......The scene where the mechanics are trying to remove a stuck 707 from the snow is good too.....Also the movie has the usual,"pilot is in love with one of the FAs" plot.

User currently offlineShovelAirlines From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

My favorite plane movie is Airport 1975, when the little Cessna hits a 747 midair and then they put a pilot into the hole in the cockpit while the plane is trying to land at Salt Lake City. Do you really think that is possible???
My favorite part was when the stewardess (Karen Black) was flying the 747.



Go hang a salami, I'm a lasagna hog!
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

...is Airport 1975, when the little Cessna hits a 747 midair...


I'm going to stick my neck out and claim that it wasn't a Cessna but a Beech Baron.

[Ducks and prepares for incoming corrections, scorn and insults]


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

My favorite aviation movie would have to be "Top Gun". The flying was red hot. All air to air combat, nothing gets better than that.

One good aviation T.V. series is "Black Sheep" squadron. F4 Corsairs etc.



"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineFlyGirl757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

I also thought that the Crash scene in Cast Away was good too. That is a fear of mine...Crashing and being strandad in the ocean.  Sad



User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Stranded in the ocean or stranded on an island? It is interesting to see how far "off course" the DC-10 strays. Another one of my favorite movies is "Kai Tak: The Last Days." A video of jets coming into land at the famous and now close Kai Tak.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Try two old movies made from Ernie Gann books, "Island in the Sky" and "The High and The Mighty," if you want to see some realistic airplane movies.

User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

There's only one quite realistic aviation movie, to the best of my knowledge: Airport (with Burt Lancaster and Dean Martin).

Anything else is pretty much crap on the realism scale. Even those movies based on real events are mostly overexaggerated (although I have vague memories that the movie about the DC10 that crashed in Phoenix wasn't too bad)

So, in the same thread of questioning: Which movies about the police are realistic? How often do you get "buddy" cops that have a hotshot young guy teamed up with an old hand, constantly involved in humourous situations while blissfully slaughtering dozens of people, being only reprimanded if they happen to blow up a skyscraper during the proceedings?

Or how many movies about serial killers are realistic? I mean, there've now most likely been more movie serial killers than real ones, and in movies they're these incredibly sophisticated and intelligent, but fundamentally insane people. An interview with a real murderer ended up as a farce - the guy tried to appear like a movie-character (Hannibal Lecter, I suppose) but "huh?" and "mmmm?" 'd his way through the interview because he was an imbecile barely able to understand a complete sentence...

Or how many American teen comedies are realistic? Is there a hidden beauty in every girl, revealed purely by changing the hair and buying new glasses (sometimes, not even a change of the hair is required)?

Does every prostitute have a heart of gold? Is every drug dealer born evil? Is every scientist a nerd? Does every conflict always end in the death of the bad guy? Do only black sidekicks to heros die? Or is opening up a wallet with pictures of the wife and kids and showing them to a brave and good looking friend an immediate death sentence?

Movies are trash. They're mostly the mental equivalent of fast food - fun, but unhealthy, mass produced for quick consumption and without a single ounce of genuine ingredient.

Of course I enjoy watching them, too.


User currently offlineFlyGirl757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

Ikarus,

WOW..I am completely impressed by your response...I guess films must be heightened with special effects/visuals to attract an audience. However, sometimes...real like situations like that FEEL unreal, as if you were living in a movie.

Have you ever been injured and everything seems to move in slow motion? And then when you replay the experience to friends or in your mind...you tend to exaggerate a bit? I think that is how it is with hollywood...they want people to LIVE that experience as much as they can. It's not garbage. It's FUN and Exciting. Just like Life can be.

- Irisa



User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

It's FUN and Exciting.

So is that KFC Zinger Tower I bite into every now and then.... Doesn't mean it's particularly good & stimulating for me...

Things I've seen in movies:
1) A 747 doing a high speed slalom, then a takeoff roll within 300 metres of taxiway
2) Arnie blowing open a door of a plane, not being sucked out, then holding on to the outside of the plane, before parachuting away
3) A 747 taking off with a fuel leak, then exploding because someone dropped a match on the fuel on the runway
4) A plane shattering into a gazillion pieces and exploding with lots of fire during a hard landing on the runway after running out of fuel
5) an ILS system being shifted down, not in angle, but the entire slope moved down (leading to the "crash" in 4)
6) A helicopter wrapped up in covers, on a truck, falling off a dam, then being unwrapped, turned around, started up and flown away before hitting the ground
7) A man falling down faster than a plane, catching it, getting inside, then flying it away
8) A 747 crashing into the ocean, sinking, full of air, with everybody still inside, to the bottom of the ocean, in one piece.
...


I don't mind that movies are unrealistic - they're mostly in a world of their own, with little reference to our universe (how many people in mainstream movies look average, or lead boring existences?). I like movies, yes they're fun. But they're unrealistic. That is why they are fun. If I could leap around like an oversized grasshopper while machine-gunning my way through a hall full of guards, why would I want to watch movies? Movies are fun, because they provide an escape from reality, not because they resemble it in any way.

(Indeed, those that do resemble reality make for depressing pictures and few people watch them)

[Edited 2003-07-29 22:01:41]

User currently offlineBoyshane From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

My favorite airplane movie is "Alive" and find it to be very realistic and they got it almost exact to the littlest detail.

They had to find an exact model of the FH-227D and they repainted it in the same colors that it was painted in 1972. They actually flew the plane too and used models for the crash sequences. For those whom have seen the movie, I found it to be very realistic.

-Shane


User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Ikarus,

Wasn't one the film you're referring too, Die Hard 2, with Bruce Willis?

-Benjamin


User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Yep. In sequence:

1) Air Force One
2) Eraser
3-5) Die Hard 2
6) Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle (previously known as: Charlie's Angels: HALO)
7) GoldenEye
8) don't remember the title.


User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Thanks, what did I win? lol

-Benjamin


User currently offlineAloha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2366 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

The movie called "Miracle Landing" (1987 or 88) about the Aloha Airlines plane whose top 'blew off' in flight over Hawaii was pretty good. Someone I know who was a passenger on the plane said the movie was extremely accurate. On a side note it was that movie that sparked my interest in aviation and made Aloha my favorite airline.
-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

Aloha73g,

They did seem to incorporate a lot of the actual CVR transcript into the flight crew's conversation, which was a nice touch as well. It was a bit dramaticized but what movie isn't?

I actually came across the model they used for that movie (with the top blown off!)...I think it was at a Planet Hollywood in either New York or LA....



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

I noticed that when you don't recognize the tail logo of a plane in a movie, that airplane will inevitably run into trouble or crash.


Never be afraid of what you like. (Miles Davis)
User currently offlineTi717 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3254 times:

One movie most Realistic--
"Airplane"  Smile

"Airplane 2 : The Squeal" a close 2nd (but it more about space planes.)





Sir, don't you think we should turn on the runway lights?" "No, that's just what there expecting us to do!"
User currently offlineTed747 From Australia, joined Jul 2003, 195 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3238 times:

I guess why is it in movies or tv everyone or the whole cabin is first class - no one ever really travels down the back....

it only that was the case!!


25 AvObserver : Aside from the first one, the Airport movies were quite ridiculous, especially '77, with the 747 submerged and airtight like a submarine although '79
26 Post contains images Fly727 : Good one Diezel.......... LOL btw.... Have you noticed Hollywood always have great names for their airlines (Oceanic for example). Where do writers an
27 Jean Leloup : What about the plane crash in "Fearless", with Jeff Bridges? I think it was bases on the UA Sioux City crash, and it SEEMED pretty realistic to me, th
28 Elwood64151 : Ikarus: I have to disagree with you, but only partly. Most movies are crap. Some, like Citizen Kane and Ride With the Devil, are excellently crafted w
29 Ikarus : That was an Antonov 124, I thought (in Die Another Day) And I also said this: Indeed, those that do resemble reality make for depressing pictures and
30 CHRISBA777ER : Nobody else picked up on CX747's statement regarding Cast Away - so i'll raise it. Tom Hanks ran out to an Airbus A300 when leaving Helen Hunt in Memp
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