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Why Did Carnival Sell Out To Pan Am II  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6419 posts, RR: 17
Posted (11 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Why did Carival Air Lines agree to be purchased by Pam Aint....errr..Pan Am Mk2? Why did management at Carnival put their future, their employees' future into an airline that had just barely begun flying, that had yet to prove they could stay afloat? And look what happened!!!  Smile


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Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

It was not up to Carnival mgmt, it was the Carnival owners how made the decision.

Regardless of the business decision by Pan Am, the price was obviously right.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Carnival never made money. Marty Shagrue came along with some cash in hand. He proclaimed that the route structures would be an ideal mix. When the check cleared, Carnivals owners agreed that Pan Am II would be an ideal owner then took the money and left.

Advance booking volume dropped into the toilet overnight. Although Carnival never made any money, they did have a fairly loyal client base that filled the cheap seats from NYC - Florida.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

Carnival also did some charter work for a tour operator in the Detroit area and I remember seeing there planes at times at the DTW airport.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

because they couldn't make money doing it. and they had serious safety/maintenance issues. too many events.


Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineFleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Why'd they sell? Mickey Arrison of Carnival Cruises found a sucker to buy his "airline".

Those KW planes were pigs...

There was one 727 that had such a severe roach infestation they had to call an outside exterminator in to gas the plane.It was buttoned up for two days to insure the creepy crawlies were done.

If I recall correctly it was 866E,and if I'm not mistaken Pan Am II reregistered it and it is in service with them as the Clipper Cristol,(Named after the bankruptcy court judge who gave them a second chance).

I know at least two of the A300's still had "Original" Pan Am interiors as well.



Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
User currently offlineL1011Fan From United States of America, joined May 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

When you say Pan Am II are you referring to the Pan Am that is currently flying and based out of Portsmouth, NH?

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

NO the Pan Am before the current one flying.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6207 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Pan Am 2 took to the air on Sept 26 1996 with Airbus A300's flying between JFK, MIA, LAX. They later expanded into other cities and bought Carnival Air Lines in 1997. I believe they went bankrupt and closed down in 1998.


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

yeah there are a couple of rare pictures circulating airliners.net of 737-400s in Pan Am colors

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