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Atlanta's Hartsfield To Be Renamed?  
User currently offlineDelta777-XXX From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1017 posts, RR: 8
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/0703/30atlname.html

http://www.macon.com/mld/telegraph/news/opinion/6420865.htm

This is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard. I am not racist at all and I have great respect for black people and Mayor Jackson.

The people pushing this forget that William Hartsfield is who set up the airport. It was he that made it a huge success. He was mayor for 20 years! What does Mayor Jackson have to do with the airport and why should it be renamed after him just because he's black? The airport has been known as "Hartsfield" for over 40 years, why would they just change it?  Sad Is there anything that the public can do to stop this?

Any thoughts?


Hank

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

It should remain the same name as it is now. Name something else after the departed Mayor.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4355 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Come on now people, Atlanta HartsFIELD. Its just so right...


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User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Well...just from reading that article from the Atlanta Journal Constitution, I can say that they should keep Hartsfield the same. It sounds like this Hartsfield guy basically help put ATL on the map, is that right?
Anyway, as Luv2Fly said, name something else after the departed mayor, perhaps a new building, park, etc.
I'd like to hear some opinions from people that live in the Atlanta area, as i'm not too familiar with the history of ATL.
Thanks,
Adam  Smile


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

It's just a friggin' NAME people.

But if the Blacks feel that strongly about it, let THEM pay to repaint all of the signage in and around the airport, plus to IATA, and whatever other agencies that would have to cope with the change.

Then let's see how important it is.



User currently offlineMCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

The fact that Maynard Jackson is black is irrelevant to this situation. I agree that the name should remain Hartsfield. But the fact is that Mayor Jackson is credited with transforming Atlanta into the major metropolitan city that it is, and he was behind much of the airport expansion and many people agree that the airport is what it is today because of his influence.

User currently offlineEerlijkflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

HeART'sFIELD  Big grin

I am sure that whichever decision is made, there will be an ultimate reason for.


User currently offlineMorecy From United States of America, joined May 2000, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

I'm sure Jackson was a great guy... so re-name "Main Street" or some building/facility/stadium in his honour. Even though it's just the airport's name, by changing it, you're basically rescinding an honour originally given to Hartsfield. Doesn't seem right to me.

User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Why not rename, say, the international concourse E?


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

If Hartsfield is renamed, it should be called DELTA AIRPORT......while the city of Atlanta has grown and certainly represents the New South, the main reason for ATL's huge growth is Delta Airlines and its decision, many years ago, to make ATL the first real connecting hub in the US. DL's determination to expand its operations at ATL, and DL's desire to offer nonstop service out of ATL to almost every domestic city and many, many international destinations around the globe have made ATL the airport that it is today.

User currently offlinePendrilsaint From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

Hmmm , they could rename piedmont park in Jackon's honor. But renaming an airport already named for a great mayor is just crazy. I can understand renaming Newark which is just a generic city name, but taking someone else's name off seems mean spirited.

User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

How silly.

(filler)

FSP


User currently offline777guy From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

Ever since Maynard first was mayor there has been a constant effort to rename every street and building in Atlanta after black people. It costs a lot of money for stationary and other printed items that businesses have to pay for not the mention of cost to tax payers for new signs. This also causes confusion because when you drive downtown now you have to buy new street maps because names of streets have changed.
The right thing to do is leave Mayor Hartsfield's name as it is. If they really want to honor Maynard then maybe they could name the zoo downtown after him.


User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

I like the comment about ATL airport being the way it is today because of Maynard Jacksons influence. You couldn't be more right.

Hartsfield is a great big PIGGY bank that is outwardly corrupt. If any of you have eaten at TGI Fridays on Concourse B, you have supported the Maynard Jackson estate. How did Jackson get the TGI Fridays concession? Well the concessions contracts went out to "disenfranchised minorities" exclusively. It was designed to help low to mid income minorities get airport concessions contracts. Mr. Jackson, at the time a multimillionaire, obtained a contract for TGI Fridays under these auspices.

Numerous other contractors, including the parking concessionaires and the providors of the fill dirt for the 5th runway have contributed significantly to the reelection slush funds of the mayors following Mr. Jackson, including the now departed Bill Campbell who was receiving these reelection funds, even though he was INELLIGIBLE for reelection.

If anything should be named after Mr. Jackson, it should be the mens sh..ter on B- Concourse.

As a resident of the City of Atlanta, the meddling of the City Concil and the desire to rename the airport is turning into a race battle. it is compete and utter nonsense that need to stop. The inept city council members, many of which are corrupt and one of which has been brought up on drug charges (Ralph Abernathy III) will be canned as the demographics of the city are beginning to skew towards a more conservative (republican) base.

I have observed the current mayor, Shirley Franklin endeaver to clean up the years of ineptitude and corruption at City Hall, but all political favors have been called in for this issue and fear that she may be placed in a position she doesn't want ot be in and may lose some political capital as a result.

As for who gets to pay for the resignage and expense of renaming the field. the taxpayers get to foot the bill.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

I personally think that if they are going to change the name of the airport, then the airport should be renamed to one of the following:

Atlanta International Airport (Actually the old name before Hartsfield)
Candler International Airport (The first name of the airport was Candler Field)
James E. Carter International Airport

The name should remain Hartsfield Atlanta International Airport. The current Midfield Complex was already in the early stages of being built at the time Maynard Jackson became mayorso he really had no real input into what became the current facility. It was Mayor Jackson who required minority participation in the construction of the new complex, and in the retail businesses at the airport. Some of the policies he forced on the airport he later benefited from, after his third term, he became a partner in a company that now owns several food outlets in the airport. Just because he was mayor when the current facility opened does not automatically mean he deserves to have his name on the airport. William Berry Hartsfield is who had the foresight to get Atlanta into the commerical airport business back when he was just an Alderman, and Asa Candler's former racetrack near Hapeville became the world's busiest airport, mainly because of Mayor Hartsfield.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

I agree, I think it should remain William B. Hartsfield International Airport. It was WBH who turned a small cornstrip into what is the #2 runway. He made the biggest impact on that airport. I am in no way racist, but I do not feel like, just because these people want it, that it should be renamed Jackson International Airport. It just doesn't have the same ring to it.

User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Let's see: We have a Jackson Hole, WY, a Jackson, MS, a Jacksonville, FL, and a Jacksonville, NC. Do we really need another "Jackson" airport? I can see the frustration it would create for reservations agents. I am going to laugh when I here a trip report about someone who thought they were going to Atlanta and wound up in Mississippi.

Since the name for ATL is already taken, it seems ovbious that it should not be renamed.


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

I may be flamed, but dont take this as a racist comment. i myself am not white, but i have a felling that in the US the new victims of racism are the white majority, things like affirmative action only increase the line that separates them, the NAACP is in my opinion a very racist organazation, becouse they constantly whant the rights of white people to be put after the ones of black people. Hartsfield was a good mayor, he promoted ATL and turned it into what it is, Jackson was a good mayor to, but sorry, the airport is taken, whay should they violate hartsfield´s right to be honored in favor of Jackson, isnt their equallity in the US. so i am defenatly against this.

just my 2 cents


User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

It's probably already done. Those of you who live in/around this great hole known as Atlanta know that. There is not one thing anyone can do about it. This whole area is a JOKE. The urban planning that went into Atlanta could have been done by toddlers.(Even a toddler could design a more effecient/user accesable train system than MARTA.........North, South, East West in the perimeter.......give me a break!!!). Those with their hands in other people's pockets keep digging deeper and screaming louder that they are being overlooked. Look how the AJC(the local paper) treats DL, the STATE's largest employer!!!! Just my 2 cents.
S



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Luisca, Thank you. You took the words right out of my mouth, you hit the nail smack dab on the head.

Tu154M, explain what you mean about how AJC treats DL.


User currently offlineJeffie813 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2955 times:
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i fly into atlanta all the time. i think i'm going to present a resolution to the city council of atlanta to rename the airport "jeff-atlanta international airport"

now that sounds good.


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Dutchjet:

Atlanta isn't part of the "New South". It's now a northern city who's location is an accident of geography.

Tu154m:

At least Atlanta has MARTA. Many other major American cities have nothing of the kind. And MARTA is slowly being expanded. Were it not for the idiots in Gwinette County (and I used to live there, so I can say this), it would have been extended beyond the perimiter long ago.

As for the airport being renamed: Well, it happens frequently enough. Louis Armstrong recently was honored with being the new name for MSY, even though Moisant had built the original strip (which is why it's MSY, not ORL or NOL or NOR, etc). I don't like it myself, but I'm not a Georgia resident, anymore (and haven't been for quite awhile). If they're going to rename it, they will, and there's nothing any of us can do about it, unless we live in Atlanta...

Just as long as they don't rename MCI "Emmanuel Cleaver International Airport"! No one who tells a third of his constituency to "Shut up and pay your taxes," should ever be honored with an airport's name. Especially if the airport is in the same region he told off...



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User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

I totally agree. As a former GA resident who still considers it home, I hate to see this. The same groups are trying to do the same types of things here in South Carolina. I believe that having the airport named in honor of the man who made it what it is, William B. Hartsfield, was the right thing to do. To change it now at the whim of a few people, would be a great injustice. I am not racist at all, but echo Luisca's comments. The tides of the discrimination are turning.

Anyway, I hope the airport name remains the same. However, I am not holding out much hope.



A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
User currently offlineDelta777-XXX From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

The latest..

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/0803/02maynard.html



Everything has to be racial.. it makes me sick.

Hank


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Even Jackson's widow, Valerie, has vowed to see that the airport bears her husband's name.

I am going to vow that the name remains William B. Hartsfield. There, does that change anything. NO!!!!


25 Post contains images Flairport : "I am going to laugh when I here a trip report about someone who thought they were going to Atlanta and wound up in Mississippi." I am going to laugh
26 Tu154m : BR715.....The Atlanta Journal Constitution is constantly putting down DL. I know when DL was trying to lease the old EA hangar, the city elders wanted
27 A330_DTW : If it's renamed after a black person, then it's reverse discrimination. If it's kept as Hartsfield, it's discrimination against blacks. Why not name i
28 Milesrich : This week's Atlanta City Council Meeting and the statements of the outspoken African American constituents serve to show that racism is not just a "wh
29 Caribb : I live in Montreal where over the past 20 years some major English street names long established have been replaced with French names honoring French
30 777guy : One thing occurs to me from reading many of the posts here is why do white people always feel the need to say "I am not a racist". Good heavens folks
31 Luisca : 777guy becouse when ever anybody that is white or christian makes a coment concerning something slightly related to race, they are immediatly called r
32 Milesrich : To those who are not familiar with Bill Hartsfield or Maynard Jackson William B. Hartsfield was the mayor of Atlanta from 1936 to 1961, except for a o
33 Tu154m : Milesrich..............You not only hit the nail on the head, you pounded it into the board flush!!!!!! S
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