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User currently offlineStyles From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 89 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Does anybody know how much pax traffic/cargo flies from Ireland to Australia? Would it ever justify a direct flight rather than connecting via London? Also, what percentage of Australians are of Irish ancestry? I would hazard a guess that it is not insignificant.



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User currently offlineBd1959 From Australia, joined Oct 2002, 450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

what percentage of Australians are of Irish ancestry? I would hazard a guess that it is not insignificant.

What is the significance of a question like this? What does it matter whether someone is 5th generation Irish - are they more likely to fly once a year on a pilgrimage to sample the black-stuff in Dublin?

Melbourne is the 2nd largest "Greek" city in the world - yet this is not enough to support a point-to-point service for either QF or OA.

More and more it seems that International Routes are determined by the ability to transit at the final destination (see the recent topic of whether DFW or ORD makes a better US hub for QF) - and International Airlines are moving away from the single point destination you are suggesting here.

BD1959


User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

If QF couldn't make it at FCO, I would be very surprised if they could make it at DUB. From what's been posted on these boards, QF is having trouble making CDG work too.

Besides, with EI in oneworld, it makes very little sense for QF to serve DUB direct. Secondary cities (like DUB) - as opposed to major gateway cities - can be served by EI from QF's gateways in CDG, FRA or LHR.


User currently offlineTailfin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

“What does it matter whether someone is 5th generation Irish - are they more likely to fly once a year on a pilgrimage to sample the black-stuff in Dublin?”

Absolutely. How do you think Aer Lingus work 3 daily flights from Ireland to Boston?

Currently, with EI and QF in alliance, they’re happy with connecting through LHR…or even LAX


[Edited 2003-08-01 15:48:35]

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

I have a feeling like NZ, Qantas will eventually be only serving the UK market, if that happens they should turn their service trans Pacific and perhaps add a seperate service to Dublin as well, because of historical links maybe teh flight could stop in DUB or SNN on the return leg to australia.

Regarding the Greek issue, I heard that traffic was there but the route was not profitable.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

There are 20M Brits living within the catchment area of MAN, and yet QF could not justify the maintenance of MAN service. Hence, I see little justification for DUB service given that there are only 3M Irish.

There are many, many more Aussies of British than Irish descent and yet LHR remains the only QF destination in the UK.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

Its all about code-shares and alliances, its much more convenient for QF to fly passengers on flights operated by their european partners into LHR and then on to Australia.

Manchester is a good example, QF in the past continued one flight per day from LHR to Manchester with a 744; when BA got involved, the QF flight terminated in LHR and it was BA on to Manchester. The same thing happened in the USA, QF dropped SFO in favor of code shares between LAX-SFO (then operated by US Airways....that was when BA owned a piece of US).

Thus, dont look for QF to open a station in Dublin any time soon, the routing will continue to be via LHR.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

QF will continue to LHR and FRA in europe for a long time to come, it
is certainly a very different situation than NZ.

QF makes a nice profit on these routes. Part of the problem is their
are less Australian interests in Southern Europe than in the UK or Northern
europe. Air NZ serves a much smaller market than Qantas. Really there
is little point comparing NZ to QF, a more realistic comparison should be
drawn to Singapore. Singapore is really Qantas' number one and main
competitor, and the vast majority of ppl flying between Europe and Australia,
if unable to easily do so on QF/BA, will simply go to SQ.

Now my point....SQ is star alliance...and no longer has a feeder program
within Australia to attract business travelers. What does that mean....
many business travelers will choose QF even if they would prefer SQ. As for
Air NZ.....well they're doing well to maintain a link to LHR for a nation with just 3 million ppl half way around the planet.


User currently offlineBd1959 From Australia, joined Oct 2002, 450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Tailfin:

“What does it matter whether someone is 5th generation Irish - are they more likely to fly once a year on a pilgrimage to sample the black-stuff in Dublin?”

Absolutely. How do you think Aer Lingus work 3 daily flights from Ireland to Boston?

Currently, with EI and QF in alliance, they’re happy with connecting through LHR…or even LAX


The point I was making is that it makes no difference what constitutes the background population, if there is not money to be made from a route then QF simply won't fly it.

Good Luck to Aer Lingus, they must be making great money to be running so many dailies.

BD1959



User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Didn't OA fly to SYD a while back with an A340?


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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

OA did indeed fly to SYD, as well as MEL, with an A340. They stopped the route about a year or two ago, after having operated it for several decades, I believe.

So therefore, ethnic populations in a city do matter.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineBd1959 From Australia, joined Oct 2002, 450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Trvlr:

MEL is supposedly the 2nd largest Greek city on the Planet - but the economics don't stack up: OA threatened to pull out of MEL about 3yrs ago - the Victorian State Govt agreed to subsidise flights under a tourism initiative.

As I said before, these days Full-Service International routes have to provide more than just point-to-point passengers.

BD1959


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