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Frontier Airlines To Order 19 A319 (+23 Options)  
User currently offlineTeahan From Belgium, joined Nov 1999, 5287 posts, RR: 62
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5490 times:

Frontier Airlines has announced that it signed an LOI for 19 A319 aircraft and 23 options which can be taken on other members of the A320 family. Deliveries would run from 2004 to 2008. In addition, Frontier will lease 14 A319.

Jeremiah


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User currently offlineAngelAirways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5419 times:


its good that they are moving to a single type fleet. right now they just want to suck the life out of the 733s for as long as possible, and when theyre done the 319s will come just in time.


User currently offlineTeahan From Belgium, joined Nov 1999, 5287 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Actually looks like it is 15 A319, not 19 as initially mentioned by some news articles.

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

Good for Frontier. It is good to see that they are healthy enough to grow at such a rate.

User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

i remember when they wanted to fly on 737's. i guess that the A319's serve them better (please no airbus vs. boeing!)


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User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Congratulations for Airbus, Frontier and Hamburg Finkenwerder!  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Just some pictures of Frontiers A319. Great looking plane!


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User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

Gotta love Frontier - more excitement for us, Denver photographers!

Alex.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

With these new planes in the works can an announcement about a second hub and or at least a focus city be far behind! As DIA is dragging there feet about the gates Frontier needs?


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

Excellent job, Frontier Airlines! Go get'em with adds new Airbus A319 and expansion of those new route out of DEN hub soon. I see with those pictures inside with cabin shot. It was really look like as jetBlue LiveTV, too. Big grin

User currently offlineMarcopolo747 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

Good news ! The A 319 and A318 look great in Frontier's paint scheme. By the way, Which is Frontier's 2 letter code ? Same as for the old Frontier ?

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

I really hope they come back to Boston! United sucks in comparison (no PTVs, etc) and they're our only option to Colorado now.

LH423



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24636 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4910 times:
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Two things:

(i) In F9's SEC filing today, it mentions the possibility of leasing 3 x A320's and also the possibility of substituting A318's for A319's.

(ii) I guess we'll be seeing a few more cities that get F9 service.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineCapt078 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

i think it's great. i live in boston, and used to love the nonstop bos-den flights. too bad they stopped that route. maybe now they will reinstate it.

den may be dragging its feet, but for how long? given united's current situation, frontier is in an incredible position to go after ual's traffic through den. also, perhaps a bit of leverage to use against the airport too.

all i know is, given the chance to fly f9 versus ual on a similar route, i will always fly frontier. and they have the best looking planes, even if they are airbuses.


User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

How About DEN-PIT? With the rumors of talks 'with St. Louis and Pittsburgh,' service to DEN would be great. It'd be better than US Airways.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Those posted is already on the topic into the message boards is resume nonstop from DEN-STL already.  SmileI don't think would chance to begin nonstop from DEN-PIT anytime soon and if they are competition of those nonstop from PIT-DEN flight. Thanks!  Smile

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Any good news in the airline industry should be applauded, exciting news for Frontier and Airbus.

I dont want to be negative, but is Frontier's pace of expansion going just a bit too fast? It always scares me when rather new airlines place large orders for brand-new aircraft. Any word on whether the new A32X aircraft will replace the remaining 733 fleet (I guess the 732s are gone by now) or does Frontier have expansion plans in mind?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24636 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4721 times:
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Dutchjet:

As far as I can work it out, when the negotiations and and contract are finalized, certain things will happen.

Apart from whatever leasing arrangements Frontier is making for A319's, the Airbus contract will require Frontier to lease the three A320's and the fourteen A319's or A318's.

There will also be a provision for the aircraft to be varied - even though it may say A319's, Frontier will be able to change to A320's and A318's.

As to fast expansion - this has been said of Frontier a couple of times. When they placed the original Airbus order, everyone was very surprised. After 9/11, you could say that they bit off too much, but the new aircraft are still coming in on schedule and Frontier is back in profit again.

Since 1998 it has been a "growth" airline, and clearly the management plans a lot more expansion.

I expect the A319 to be the mainstay of the fleet, with some A320's and A318's for certain specific needs.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

As i commented before after the Airtran order, this bodes poorly for the majors. I see LCC's and smaller carriers buying more and more planes and stealing a larger share of the domestic market. It's interesting after so much consolidation in the market to start to see a kind of fragmentation again, to see traffic spread out among more carriers; it's the opposite of what a lot of people were predicting 2-3 years ago when things were hot, and as AA and UA were preparing to gobble up TWA and US. That's probably better for us as consumers. I just worry a little more when I see this Frontier order about my United FF miles!


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

right now they just want to suck the life out of the 733s

I believe 733s still have plenty of life left in them. Built in the 1980s, they should have at least 20 years left with proper maintenance.

DC9s were built in 1965-1982, and they are still flying around.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2703 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Mariner,

". . . and Frontier is back in profit again."

Could you clarify if this is operating profit, or net profit? I had understood that Frontier was only net profit due to the government bailout loans.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2703 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

I apologize for answering my own question, but I found the answer:

http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030801/0657000363_1.html

Frontier made a profit of $10.9 million in the first quarter, while in the same quarter they received $15 million in government payments. Therefore, they were net profit, but not operating profit.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Frontier is back i nprofit again? Wow I hadn't heard that! HOW did I miss that? Is there a press release? I will have to check out their website.

I for one am a little cautious about this. I think that they may be growing too fast. I tend to lean that way anyhow- I think JetBlue's recent order is an act of sheer insanity to stir up the shareholders. I hope they make it; while I haven't flown B6, I am excited about their product. Same for Frontier. But gosh guys, Simma down Now!!!

Good luck, F9.

r


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

Sorry about the typo in the last post. I just wanted to follow up with NO, they are NOT in profit. Well, yeah they are:

DENVER (July 31, 2003) - Frontier Airlines (NASDAQ: FRNT) today reported fiscal first quarter 2004 net income of $10.9 million, or $0.36 per diluted common share, compared with a net loss of $2.5 million, or $0.09 per common share, before the cumulative effect of change in method of accounting for maintenance checks, for the airline's fiscal first quarter last year. The Company's fiscal first quarter 2004 net income included $15.0 million received under the Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act and an unrealized gain on fuel hedges of $752,000, offset by aircraft lease exit costs of $686,000. These items, net of income taxes and related profit sharing, total $0.29 per diluted common share

SO- they made money, but only if you count the fat check that I wrote them (and you too, American taxpayers). Don't get me wrong- I think the gov't should help out the airlines... to a point. The majors that are losing cash hand- over- fist? No.

But, without uncle Sam's help, they lost 4.9 million. That's not profit, folks.

Argue with me all you want- I am interested in getting other people's perspectives on this.

R


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2896 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4450 times:
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You're right - F9 is not in operating profit, but they're closer than a lot of folks in this industry are... and they managed to reduce CASM again this quarter. Not a bad performance.

As for the planes, this is definitely good news. If you look at the Denver Post today (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~26385~1548897,00.html), it looks like DEN is going to play hardball with UA, which will affect F9's Concourse A expansion -- it looks like the options could instead be to build space on B for US to move, then moving AS and CO to C, and getting UA's A gates back for F9. Complex, I know, but it could mean that F9 owns A without having to wait for such a big expansion...


25 Luv2fly : I hope this works for Frontier spoken from a share holder. If the UA gates are not being used to the full extent then make them move. I believe UA mus
26 Flaps : I sincerely hope that things work out quickly in DIA for F9. I would desperately love to see them build up a focus operation here in PIT but I want it
27 Post contains links Mariner : Sorry, guys, but F9 made actual - operating - profit last quarter. http://www.frontierairlines.com/news/articleDisplay.asp?article=/general/2003/pr_07
28 AirVB : The past few times I've been in DEN, I've seen a lot of UA Express RJ's at mainline gates in Concourse B. Even on UA's website, it denotes the 8 gates
29 JpetekYXMD80 : That would allow Frontier to move into UA's Concourse A gates. Do you think UA wants to help out F9?
30 AirVB : True, but they are in bankruptcy protection, and I don't think UA would want the added costs of maintaining 8 extra gates.
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