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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

What do you think about jetBlue flying to HNL with their A320s from any of their west coast bases in OAK, LGB, or SEA? Wouldn't it force the majors into a fare war (assuming the A320s get its ETOPS rating)?


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4828 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Jet Blue if permission will mint $$$ from serving HNL nonstop from SEA, LGB and OAK. Their leather seats + live tv are a big bonus + v v cheap fares compared to the other US majors.

What would be really wise for them is to use the same aircraft from JFK to SEA, LGB & OAK, make it stop there for 35-50 mins and then continue on to HNL. In this way they can grab a marketshare of the NYC NJ area market that flies to HNL as this schedule and routing would prove to be very convienient.

Does any airline fly nonstop from JFK or EWR, BOS, IAD to HNL? CO if it doesnt, should on its B 762 ER which has the range capability as does their 764s out of EWR.

Even UAL and AA can fly nonstop out of JFK and BOS using their B 763ERs.


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

If they were ETOPs rated it would need at least a 90 min turn time to accomplish all the items prior to the ETOPs flight. Hence unlikely that an A320 would fly JFK-West Coast-HNL with a 35-50 min stop.

Additionally, The market to me would not seem to make sense for Jet Blue when other markets are more lucrative and existing markets need more service.

Finally, As there is a dead zone on DirecTv between JFK and SJU that affects Jet Blue so there is on the Western Coast as well. Enough said...

Don't look for B6 in HNL real soon.


User currently offlineCapt078 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

i've heard about the directtv dead zone, although when my friends flew jetblue from jfk to sjn they did not experience it. if it does occur, flying over the pacific to hnl or another hawaiian location is probably the place in which it will happen.

i would not be so quick to dismiss jetblue in hnl. the hawaiian market is still a high-priced market , and with the exception of ata, no lower-cost carriers have broken in. as evidence that there is plenty of demand there, look at recent news: delta added a flight from atl, alaska announced that it would like to serve hawaii, northwest added service, ata added service.

i'm sure jetblue has plenty of cities on its list ahead of hnl, but it would not surprise me if they announced a flight there in the next year or two.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

With all the money B6 has, why not just build a relay satellite between LGB and HNL.

User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

I guess I'm skeptical because neither US Airways nor America West serve Honolulu. Both of them are A320 operators, but they've yet to show interest in ETOPS-equipping their fleets for Hawaiian service.

My understanding is that jetBlue wants to expand service within existing markets--increasing frequencies and connecting unlinked city pairs within its system.

Furthermore, the arrival of Embraer jets will probably keep jetBlue more interested in shorthaul markets.


User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Maybe a little off-topic but:
Is there any A320 certified for ETOPS as of today??

Peter


User currently offlineCapt078 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

again, i disagree. david neeleman said himself when they announced the order for the erj-190s that the new regional jets will allow the company to expand into smaller markets with the erj's, while allowing jetblue to use its a-320s on higher-demand longer markets. if anything, the erj's would aide jetblue if it is aiming at hnl.

also, to mention us airways or america west would be a mistake. the whole point with jetblue is that it is so vastly different from those and other carriers. using them as comparisons to speculate about future routes is not effective.

i think we should look at jetblue's success with its san juan operations. granted, puerto rico and hawaii are vastly different, but here we have a destination not routinely served by discount carriers, that is out of the way so to speak (in that sjn has primarily o & d traffic), and is primarily a vacation and not business market. hawaii, again very different, does have some similarities. if i were part of jetblue's management, i would keep an eye on sjn, and also on ata's operations in hawaii.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

and with the exception of ata, no lower-cost carriers have broken in.

Well, America West tried and failed in Hawaii (as well as Japan, for that matter)  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12148 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2903 times:
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Also A320's are not ETOPS rated! It is not going to happen anytime soon. They are more interested in add more flights to markets already served and then connecting the dots more with in there system.


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User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

ConcordeBoy,

The Japanese do better in 2003 than in 1941.

But I sure don't know about today's Hawaiian's
Check this out:

http://www.honoluluairport.com/ click FLIGHTINFOMATION  Laugh out loud

Peter


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

That'd almost be amusing were it not for your complete lack of comprehension for what I was saying re: HP to NGO  Insane  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

the "dead spot" was mentioned and i'm wondering if the area near SJU/HNL has DIRECTTV capability? Also, is there a way to get the system to work across the ocean?

User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

"Does any airline fly nonstop from JFK or EWR, BOS, IAD to HNL? CO if it doesnt, should on its B 762 ER which has the range capability as does their 764s out of EWR."

CO flies daily between EWR and HNL with a 767-400.



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User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Do you guys think that B6 could start an international service to SDQ?

in the NYC area, there is a great market for SDQ and other Dominican Cities like STI.

Right now, from the NYC area,

CO, AA, BQ, Air Santo Domingo have very good loads on these flights to the Dominican Republic.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

I think that JetBlue, for now, will leave flying to Hawaii to other carriers; as mentioned, while the A320s could fly LGB-HNL (or to other Hawaiian airports), JetBlue's aircraft are not ETOPS and I do not imagine that JetBlue would "dedicate" 2 or 3 aircraft to a particular route, that is NOT part of their business plan. Also, there is a lot of competition in the California-Hawaii market, with Aloha (with 73Gs) and others opening smaller routes which give the passenger much more choice....there are now nonstop flights from regional airports in the LA area to Kona, Maui, etc, something unavailable a couple of years ago. And, isn't JetBlue limited to 22 flights per day out of the LGB mini-hub; I dont think that JetBlue wants to use those limited slots for high-competition Hawaiian services and at OAK, Aloha is already in the market with ATA covering the low-fare Hawaii service out of SFO.



User currently offlineCanyonBlue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Another thing that will probably prevent us from flying to LGB to HNL.....

It's and expensive airport on which to operate. As a budget minded carrier, it is wise to save up some money FIRST, and then see if HNL is a good idea. We have other cities in mind I'm sure. (For example, ORD, BOS area, DFW... All the ones rumored here on Airliners.net!) Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see JetBlue to Hawaii, but that idea is probably 5-7 years down the road.


User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

ConcordeBoy,
I know that HP never made it to NGO successfully, I watched the ex-KLM aircraft leave AMS. But this tread is about JetBlue to HNL.
If you click the link and then Flight Info(r)mation, which was merely a sidestep, YOU will see what I mean.
On Aug 02, 2003, from 05:40 to midnight 12 Japanese aircraft landed at Honolulu airport. This means that more Japanese aircraft landed in Honolulu on Aug 02, 2003, then on Dec 07, 1941.

Well, America West tried and failed in Hawaii (as well as Japan, for that matter)

What I read here is that Japan failed in Hawaii, with no date mentioned, please correct me if I'm wrong  Smile


Peter


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

You guys are right about ATA being the only low-cost flying to HNL on a scheduled basis. But a portion of the seats are reserved for tour groups (Pleasant Hawaiian), so not much of their seats on the 753s are for the flying public. As for Aloha, their fares to SNA, OAK, and Burbank are not cheap.


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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

I think some people make too much of a big deal about having 26 channels of directtv on a flight. We have direct tv, and have about 700 channels, and most of the time there is nothing to watch, so with 26 it is going to be even harder. I think it is good that they have it as opposed to nothing, but it is more gimmick than anything. That said, they are a good airline, and shouldn't need that as their major selling point

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12148 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2581 times:
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That is right a lot of seats go to tour operators for a contracted price.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Both DirecTV and Dish Network are available to residents on the ground in Hawaii... albeit a smaller package because one of the satellites isn't viewable. I'd assume jetBlue would be able to offer something.

Also A320's are not ETOPS rated!

jetBlue's might not be, but the A320 series is certainly capable.

N


User currently offlineShamrock1heavy From Ireland, joined Nov 2002, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

How exactly does a plane get ETOPS rated?
I know what ETOPS is, but I am not understanding how they get rated.
Thanks!

-D



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User currently offlineSRD737NG From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Guess what folks?? 4 days ago one of my fellow co-workers was flying across from Hawaii to Burbank when he heard JETBLUE talking on the freq. -- Everyone out there was asking what they were doing and the pilot responded......."Right now we're doing 3 flights a week to Maui, soon to be 5 out of Long Beach." --- unfortunately one of the major airlines that was crossing (I won't mention who it was, but i'll let you guess) made a smart remark to JetBlue regarding the fact that they are non-union.... and that was it....no more info from Jetblue. But, it's obvious they are going through either ETOPS certification process, or proving runs....Something is going on, and yes....It was surely JETBLUE.

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Let's kick it up a notch (thank you chef emeril! For that wonderful quote)
What about B6 taking the 190s within Hawaii.
-UN



What now?
25 T prop : Guess what folks?? 4 days ago one of my fellow co-workers was flying across from Hawaii to Burbank when he heard JETBLUE talking on the freq. -- Every
26 N628AU : Repeat after me... HNL is not profitable. HNL is not profitable. HNL is not profitable. The only point of serving it is so that major carrier customer
27 Luv2fly : My question as well anyone see them in Hawaii?
28 Mats : Right on, N628AU. Honolulu is not high-yield market. There's been banter here and on other boards about Southwest serving Honolulu. (After all, it is
29 UN_B732 : Yeah, didn't B6 say A320s for carribean! They have maps..and interesting presenation that i posted that has a mpa of where they wanna go. -UN
30 WMUPilot : TZ seems to find flights to HNL to be profitable as we are increasing service on a regular basis. ATA will be flying EWR-HNL come winter (this does in
31 Ripcordd : Try again there have never been so many flights to Hawaii. Now why in the current airlines state losing millions and millions would they start more se
32 Aa757first : The dead zone that everyone is talking about is in compliance with US laws. On a cruise, they told us that it’s illegal to broadcast US stations so
33 Ha763 : The only reason Hawaii flights tend to be unprofitable for US carriers other than HA and AQ is that they allow more seats to be used for frequent flie
34 IMissPiedmont : ". the hawaiian market is still a high-priced market." What? Hawaii is a very low yield market, and cheap. LGB to HNL, KIH or OGG are well within jetB
35 Post contains images Thunder9 : >> JetBlue would have to show “international” programming. Too cool! The pax on the overwater B6 flights would get to watch the likes of BBC and A
36 Jeff G : The dead zone that everyone is talking about is in compliance with US laws. On a cruise, they told us that it’s illegal to broadcast US stations so
37 Flairport : do you get TV on approach to SJU?
38 Bluewave 707 : You know back in the mid-80s, there were a few airlines (Air Hawaii, Hawaii Express, and Pacific East to name a few) that flew low-cost, okay downrigh
39 SRD737NG : Hey T_Prop -- Call BS all you want, no matter. He heard what he heard, and that was Jetblue on the track westbound over the Pacific to OGG, according
40 T prop : Hey T_Prop -- Call BS all you want, no matter. He heard what he heard, and that was Jetblue on the track westbound over the Pacific to OGG, according
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