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Largest US City That Is Not A Hub  
User currently offlineStyles From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 89 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

Which city in the US is the largest that does serve as a hub for an airline? Would it be BOS, MSY?



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User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7186 times:

New York? CO and EWR is New jersey and Jet Blue isn't a major so New York?

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

EWR arguably serves the NYC market, so I would say EWR is a NY hub for CO.

BOS is probably the largest. Also SAT has no hub.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineRamper@IAH From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7135 times:

Southwest has about 55 daily departures from New Orleans. Would that qualify it as a hub? It is the sole occupant of terminal B. Boston supports a small American Airlines hub. I think Kansas City is probably the largest city that's not a hub.

User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

LAX isn't really a hub for any airline. So I'd say LAX.

UAL747


User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7093 times:

Yyz717 yeah I though about that as well but technically New York Has no hub if you get what I mean.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12113 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7078 times:
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How about BWI, I know your going to say WN, tho according to them they operate no hubs!

Also FLL has tons of service tho not a hub for any one airline.



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User currently onlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7058 times:

So jetBlue doesn't count as a hub airline? New York/JFK definately has a jetBlue hub, and US Airways considers LGA sort of a hub, and I think Delta does too.

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12113 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7032 times:
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JetBlues flying to FLL is mostly point to point service. I pointed out JetBlue once before and FLL and was told that it is not a hub for them by another member.


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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6295 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

It is, as has been stated, Los Angeles.


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

Is it not more of a focus city Delta and US Airways. Mentioned jet blue already sweetheart didn't you see that post at the top LOL. If you include no major airlines main hubs like ORD and ATL doesn't smaller regional oportators make every big city's airport a hub of sorts?

User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6996 times:

United counts LA as a mini-hub.


Heia Norge!
User currently onlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6996 times:

I think United considers LAX a hub....

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User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6993 times:

If you cant say LA because its the same argument as Jet Blue at JFK and long Beach so makes it NYC?

User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

UA is at LAX, what do they have, 3 concourses? I got this old 1999 paper timetable with 'LAX: United's newest hub", I dont think they have ceased hub operations here.

Justin



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6961 times:

AAAAAH! 2 of y'all beat me to the UA/LAX thing while i was searching for my timetable. Great minds think alike.  Laugh out loud
Anyway, could it be St. Louis soon?
Justin



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

Hmm, I'm guessing that its not ABE?!? Seriously, how about SFO?

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6295 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

OK. A hub is an airport that has banks of flights that arrive and depart to provide connections throughout the system. LAX has no such banks. Busy as all getup but not a hub.


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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6941 times:

Yes folks, LAX is a hub, for UA.

From UA's website:

UAL Corporation is the holding company for United Airlines, the second largest air carrier in the world. With hubs in Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington, D.C., and key international gateways in Tokyo, London, Frankfurt, Miami and Toronto, United flies to 117 destinations in 26 countries. United's 84,000-plus employees worldwide bring people together safely, conveniently and efficiently more than 1,800 times a day. United's customers also enjoy access to more than 729 destinations around the world through Star Alliance, the leading global airline network.


User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

United counts, O'Hare, Dulles, Miami (min-hub), Denver, San Francisco and LA (mini-hub) as hubs. This is according to their own literature.
Not to change the subject, but it sure was cool watching the Blue Angels today on Lake Washington.



Heia Norge!
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6925 times:

Told use its technically NYC because EWR is in New Jersey.

User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

When JFK T8 is completed for AA, that sure looks like it would be hub material, doesnt it?

Justin



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Just thought of something....MCO?

Justin



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User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

AA Don't have the flights the terminals not built and MCO is the land of themeparks and doesn't have that big of population anyways so NYC it is like a said from post 1. There is no larger City in the USA and it has no hub close story LOL.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16877 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6819 times:

"When JFK T8 is completed for AA, that sure looks like it would be hub material, doesnt it?"

Except for the fact that they have suspended construction (temporarily) and are going to scale back the project, so when it's done it's not going to have that many more gates than they had with T-8 and T-9.

Also AA has been reducing service at JFK, especially with Eagle.

They only serve Montreal, Boston and Washington with Eagle flights from JFK.

In the past they have flown to, Cleveland, Columbus, Manchester NH, Providence, Hartford, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington Dulles, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, Buffalo, New Burgh etc.

All have been cancelled.

With AA's poor economic state and the growing B6 domination of domestic service at JFK AA will not "hub" JFK, rather make it a nice International Gateway with One World Partners moving in possibly including BA.



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25 JpetekYXMD80 : I dont know man.... EWR is closer to mid town than JFK, and it is also run by the port autority, who runs JFK and LGA and other NYC area airports. CO'
26 STT757 : Wilmington Delaware is the largest US City without a Commercial Airport, there is no commercial air service to anywhere in Delaware.
27 Flairport : DL's hubs (as per IMissPiedmont's explaination) ATL CVG SLC all no brainers but here is another JFK- intl. ops, and with SONG it has become a hub "Min
28 Bmi330 : Is song not more point to point than transiting though ? I did forget all about song though like it seems most people did. Well done flairport still n
29 Flairport : Song is Delta, so it counts as a DL flight in my book, also note that i did not put Song airports (except JFK which has other reasons for being a hub
30 Bmi330 : Can you explain to me please flairport about jfk song etc thanx.
31 FlyCMH : Here are the 50 largest metro populations in the United States. Note that Newark is in the New York City metro population, and Long Beach is in Los An
32 STT757 : "So, since LGA is in Queens County and is the closest to Manhattan and is in New york City, i think that Queens/Eastern Nassau/Western Kings/Manhattan
33 Rlwynn : Two questions. How is San Diego considered a hub for Southwest? How is Long Beach Considered a hub for JetBlue? That would mean that people would fly
34 Flashmeister : I'm not sure that Alaska considers PDX a hub... at least for AS. It's definitely a hub for Horizon.
35 Ssides : I'm sorry, but this question has too many variables to provide a definitive answer. First, you have to decide what constitutes a hub. Are AA's operati
36 Sean-SAN- : San Diego... Southwest doesn't count.
37 FlyCMH : I added Southwest because in many cases, the sheer number of daily flights operated warrants some sort of recognition. Like I said previously, I only
38 DeltAirlines : I wouldn't really consider BOS a hub for AA. The only real connecting traffic is from ISP, BGR, YYZ, and YQB (until its suspended). The rest is primar
39 SESGDL : I don't know what you all are talking about, DFW is still a Delta hub. They consider it a hub, it's just that they have reduced their mainline presenc
40 L.1011 : In my opinion, if an airline has over 100 departures a day at an airport (including regionals, LCCs, shuttle, etc.), that city can be a hub. However,
41 LH423 : DeltAirlines: I read recently that BOS ops for American (including the Eagle hub) make Boston the fifth largest city for American in terms of movement
42 AS739X : Flashmeister-How can you say Alaska doesnt consider PDX a hub? We do and always will. We operate (depending on season) 40-55 flights a day from there.
43 MAH4546 : What makes a hub is simple: what an airline considers a hub. Continental: GUM, IAH, EWR, CLE American: MIA, SJU, ORD, DFW, STL Delta: ATL, CVG, SLC, D
44 JpetekYXMD80 : Yeah, it is really hard to differentiate 'hubs' for WN with their point to point service. I say we stick with them and go for 'we have no hubs', simpl
45 STT757 : "18) St. Louis--St. Charles--Farmington, MO--IL CSA 2,808,993 - American Airlines hub" Depending on how far AA pulls down service there I think we hav
46 SESGDL : L.1011, DL and DL Connection now have 275+ daily flights. CVG has 540+ daily flights. Just to let you know. That info isn't currrent is it? Jeremy
47 Deltadude8 : UMMM...I live in Overland Park Kansas which is part of the Kansas City METRO area... Since when in god's name did Midwest Airlines call Kansas City a
48 JpetekYXMD80 : Yeah, youre right deltadude, the YX operations at MCI are not enough to be a hubin the sense of what we are talking about here. MCI is definitley the
49 FlyCMH : Why shouldn't Midwest's operations in Kansas City be considered a hub? Yes, they may have 16 daily flights, but the airline uses its operations there
50 Milesrich : Hub has always been defined as a connection point, where one bank of flights comes in and another leaves, giving the arriving passengers a choice of c
51 Wilax : Southwest is really not a hub-and-spoke airline. They are truly point-to-point. You may connect almost anywhere on WN, thus, San Diego or any city oth
52 FlyCMH : Milesrich: There actually seem to be quite a few connection opportunities available for American through Boston. Here's a short example of some of the
53 GD727 : So there you have it. The largest U.S. cities without hubs are: 1) Tampa 2) Sacramento 3) Columbus 4) San Antonio 5) Providence Actually, PVD is consi
54 Post contains images Worldperks : Okay, try this. At LAX one can switch from UA to many UA Express flights, and from AA to many American Eagle flights -- also from transcontinental Sou
55 MAH4546 : Okay, try this. At LAX one can switch from UA to many UA Express flights, and from AA to many American Eagle flights -- also from transcontinental Sou
56 Kevin752 : I think that UAL has a mini hub as someone has said in LAX because they do have many flight departing from here and terminal 7 is all for United and
57 DeltaBoy777 : Portland, OR (PDX) West Palm Beach, FL (PBI) Tampa, FL (TPA) Austin, TX (AUS) Nashville, TN?? (BNA) San Antonio, TX (SAT) Ft.Lauderdale, FL (FLL) San
58 JetsGo : DeltaBoy777 - No offence, but why do people like you always forget to mention Sacramento. It is the 23rd largest metro area, which is higher then a ma
59 Gsoflyer : Actually, that info is not correct, here's the top cities with no hubs according to the latest census information for the current US Metropolitan area
60 Rlwynn : San Diego is larger than all of the cities above.
61 ShovelAirlines : I believe that Massport, the agency which runs BOS even describes BOS as an O&D airport. If AA does not list BOS as one of their hubs and neiter does
62 TWA902fly : you cant blame BOS or SAN for having no hubs... they are way in the corner of the country so domestic connections from most cities would just be stupi
63 MAH4546 : Actually, that info is not correct, here's the top cities with no hubs according to the latest census information for the current US Metropolitan area
64 Gsoflyer : Actually, Rlwynn, San Diego fits in at, all from the Census Bureau: 1 New York, NY 2 Los Angeles, CA 3 Chicago, IL 4 Washington D.C/Baltimore, MD 5 Sa
65 MAH4546 : GSOflyer, that list is from 2002. The 2003 list: 1) New York--Newark--Bridgeport, NY/NJ/CT/PA 2) Los Angeles--Long Beach--Riverside, CA 3) Chicago--Na
66 Gsoflyer : The list I have is the 2000 census results. I am curious as to how they get population variants when no actual census is taken.....
67 MAH4546 : The list I have is the 2000 census results. I am curious as to how they get population variants when no actual census is taken..... Do you think the U
68 Gsoflyer : But in that case, anything in between is just a 'guess' until the real census is done again.
69 PROSA : The list I have is the 2000 census results. I am curious as to how they get population variants when no actual census is taken..... Do you think the U
70 DeltaBoy777 : JetsGO-- I'm sorry Sacramento completely slipped my mind!! My Dad used to work there, I should have been up on that one. Sacramento fits very well, go
71 Cloudy : Some statisticians claim that the physical-count census is obsolete ---- Yes they do, but the reason is because of the expense. Sampling would be just
72 MAH4546 : LL is another airport that is commonly overlooked by airlines. I believe it would be a perfect airport to drive out competition. Since December 2002 a
73 Capt078 : seeing as how almost every major corporation (including the airlines) use census data to help determine business strategies, the census figures are pe
74 Gsoflyer : But is there not a pseudo-hub of US airways at Boston?
75 Capt078 : i think "pseudo-hub" might be pushing it, although i get your point. actually, american, delta, us airways, and united pretty much have even shares of
76 SESGDL : Capt078, Is your estimate for traffic @ BOS for number of departures or for the amount of passengers carried? I know AA is #1 for destinations and dep
77 Capt078 : SESGDL (jeremy): the data for boston constitutes the number of departures. you are correct that delta carries the most passengers, although this is a
78 SESGDL : Capt078, Thank you for clearing that up. I appreciate it greatly how promptly you responded to my post. Thank you. Jeremy
79 Post contains images OzarkD9S : Hmmmm, the question is: Largest US City That Is Not A Hub? Wahington DC? There is no commercial airport in the District of Columbia. 1 Airport in Mary
80 Ssides : Thank you, Ozark! It's about time that someone pointed this out. There are simply too many variables to get a definite answer to this question. I'll s
81 Chicago757 : I'd say MCO..........
82 Capt078 : washington is a good point, but it still isn't the largest city without a hub. according to the census bureau, san diego is the 7th largest city by po
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