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Refueling Detour Adds 90 Minutes To Concorde Trip  
User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2470 posts, RR: 9
Posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

From Ananova news: Weather troubles Concorde

Concorde was forced to take an unconventional route on its way to New York as it became the latest victim of Britain's soaring temperatures.

The British Airways flight had to stop in Gander, Canada, to refuel because the heat meant the jet needed to carry more fuel to make the journey.

The aircraft, which flies at twice the speed of sound, usually takes just three hours and 20 minutes to make the transatlantic crossing.

But today's detour was expected to add up to 90 minutes to the flight, which took off from Heathrow at 5.30pm.

A British Airways spokesman said: "When it gets this hot, Concorde has to carry more fuel because the air it is travelling through is of a higher pressure.

"It is unusual, but this certainly is not the first time it has happened because of the hot weather.

"The flight will stop in Canada for less than an hour and we expect it to land at about 5.30pm local time."

He said all the passengers had been informed of the flight's reroute before take-off.

Story filed: 20:19 Wednesday 6th August 2003


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User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Well that kinda kills the experience.

User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3314 times:
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2 take offs and landings for the price of 1? I would not complain. Question would it be able to operate supersonically from Gander to JFK at all?


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User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Coronado-- Question would it be able to operate supersonically from Gander to JFK at all?

I don't see why not-- the two routes are pretty much overlapped:

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=YQX-JFK%0D%0ALHR-JFK%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=nm&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=

(and if it doesn't normally fly Great Circle while over Nova Scotia and Cape Cod--for noise abatement reasons-- it probably only has to fly a hundred nautical miles offshore or something, not much of a detour and not for very long either)



User currently offlineVc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

I think that the high temps at London, probably prevented Concorde from uplifting the required amount of fuel to get it to New York, whilst still staying within the T/Off weight for that temp.

Yes it would go supersonic from Gander to New York

Regards little vc10


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Any spotters at Gander get a photo?


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Indeed, fuel uplift has been a challenge in these unprecedented temps, today I think OAC was used, the heaviest in the fleet.
The alternative would have been to off-load pax, as most of them are now flying Concorde for the experience of it rather than for business, that was not going to happen, these aircraft are very full now, it is unusual not to have 100 pax, who unlike mostly business pax will all want their food and drink.
(Probably carrying more of the gifts etc, on each BA Concorde flight now onboard sales are reaches £7000 worth, even so, about £5000 of that is mail order rather than stowed on board).


User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Just found a bit more precise description of the BA Concorde ("Sierra Mike", "Sierra November") nominal flight paths:

http://pub13.ezboard.com/fconcordesstfrm2.showMessage?topicID=190.topic

http://www.irishaviation.net/atlops.htm#CONCORDE OPERATIONS ON THE NORTH


Shouldda rooted around for this somewhat sooner, but ah well  Smile







[Edited 2003-08-07 03:17:07]

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