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Aer Lingus To Buy Aircraft  
User currently offlineDtwintlflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 301 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

"We're going for a single aircraft type and at this stage it comes down to a straight choice between the Boeing 737-800 and the Airbus A-320," Dan Loughrey, corporate affairs director at Aer Lingus, told Reuters

Interesting.....be nice to see A320

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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Already got A320's  Smile :

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User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

Yes, but they only got 4, I think (EI-CVA/B/C/D). (see-plugging threads)

Hey, maybe we'll have EI-CMF, after all !

Antoine


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

The order is going to come down to the 737-800 and A320-200 families. Aer Lingeus is looking to replace all of their current narrowbody fleet which includes 737s, A320s and other assorted types. I would assume that the A320 has the lead in this order. Does anyone have any further information?


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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

With the A330 as the longhaul type, a standardised Airbus shorthaul fleet is an extremely sensible option.

Then they can have pilots CCQd across types etc... huge crew flexibility and training savings.

And with the minibus already in the fleet, I would be very surprised to see a Boeing order here.



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User currently offlineCapt078 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

with the commonality between big and baby buses, i would agree that the a-320 might have a slight lead. and certainly if they chose the narrow-body airbuses, it would make sense for them to keep the four they have.

however, it is certainly possible they will chose the 737-800. economics over the a-320, especially if they go with winglets, might be an enticing factor. also, given they only have 4 a320s, it is feasible that boeing might make a deal to buy the mini-buses from them. that is not unheard of in this industry.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

How about this deal. 737-800s for their short haul fleet, keep the A330-200/300s and then when the 7E7s come out pick up those while trading in the A330s?


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

CX747, you drrrrrrrrrrrrrreeaaaaam !!!
EI is European so the high political pressures will make them buy Airbus (I hope)  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

I hope that politics doesn't play a part in their decision. That being said, two can play that game. If Aer Lingeus goes with the buses then there is no reason for more A330s. Sorry all gates in the U.S.A. are closed. EI can keep their current routes but that is it.


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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5310 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

CX747,

Considering the current management, I very much doubt the order will be political. As for your "gates in the U.S.A. closed" comment, well it isn't particularly fair that currently US airlines are free to fly to Ireland from any US city while Aer Lingus only has access to 5 gateways. Gates in Ireland can also close, quicker than you might think.  Big grin

Anyway, extra A330s could be used for the much talked about new route to South Africa or perhaps even Asia.

Jeremiah

[Edited 2003-08-08 15:49:52]


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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

EI 345's or 346's...now THAT would make 707cmf leave his lowly single-engine prop airfields and move to the Emerald Isle  Laugh out loud


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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

CX747's idea would work well if only the A330s were just a little older and needed replacing within the next few years, which I dont think they do.

I dont know what routes they plan to fly with these new aircraft, but I'm sure would think that they would be giving them more distance than most American carriers, so this might be a great oppostunity for them to buy 737s with winglets and save some cash on longer hauls.

Again, this is assuming that these will still for for Aer Lingus to fly routes to Europe and such. Again, I dont know much about what routes they fly.

But if saving moeny by means of total fleet commonality is your goal, then the A320 is good since that is the kind of their biggest planes, and also I believe what they have the most of already.

This could get interesting.  Smile

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12147 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4335 times:
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Please Ireland place restrictions on US carriers as well, you must fly to both SNN and DUB either both or none at all. So neither party is exempt when it comes to silliness.


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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

It's all guesswork at this stage, but where Airbus has another edge is that they can place orders for A320's and have the option to upgrade them to A321's or downgrade them to A319's/A318's depending on where the market is going.


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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

If one will look closely at my post, I said that I hoped politics would not come into play. Your right closing down the U.S. gates is ridiculous, JUST as ridiculous as EI ordering Airbus because they are part of the EU. As for closing down Ireland's gates, I tend to think that Aer Lingeus would hurt more than say Delta etc. ANYWAY..

I find the comment that EI is looking to replace ALL of their narrowbody aircraft interesting. If you already operate A32Xs, why would this even be a question? Their 737 fleet is older etc. Does anyone remember a few months ago how someone on this forum was saying that EI would announce a 737NG order?



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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

Great point about the age of their current 737 fleet. Very relevant.

As much as I hate Airbus, I'd choose the A320 in this case.

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5310 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

I don't see the need for winglets since stage lenghts are relatively short. Longest seems to be Malaga (2:30) though the significantly longer Tenerife is starting from the winter.

Today's FT had a fairly interesting article. Key points:
- Discussion by the EI board in September, first deliveries in 2004.
- As mentioned in the past, straight A320 vs B737-800 contest.
- If it opts for Boeing, it would make a 27 plane firm order. Airbus: 17 plane
firm order (keeping 4 A320 and 6 A321).
- 10 options in both cases.
- 6-8 routes to be launched next summer.

Luv2fly,

True but that restriction applies to both Irish and American carriers.

Jeremiah



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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

EI's 737 Fleet:

12 Aircraft
Deliverd between 1989 and 1992

EI's A32X Fleet:

10 Aircraft A320/321
Delivered between 1998-2001

This well definately be an order worth watching although I think the A320 family will be the winner. Again though, could the 7E7 be in the cards?????



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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5310 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

CX747,

The upcomming order will only be a narrowbody one. As for the 7E7, I guess it is a little early (first oders expected mid to end 2004) though there is no doubt the aircraft would be quite ideal for Aer Lingus in the longer term.

Jeremiah



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

I'd rather see EI take a Boeing order because I am sick of all this European Union clique stuff. But... it makes A LOT more sense for EI to take aircraft from the A320 family than it would to go to a totally new type with 737NGs.

I guess whoever offers them the best deal.


User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

As Aer lingus are standardising their fleet that means getting rid of their Bae146's.

No more Dublin -London City as the airbus and boeings cant land there. As the route is both popular and profitable British Airways may take over this route as their new 146 operations to GLA/CDG/FRA are performing well



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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5310 posts, RR: 61
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

BY188B,

And some UK provincial routes will likely go the same way.

As for LCY, CityJet (which once operated DUB-LCY) and Aer Arann have also been mentioned.

Jeremiah



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User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

hope its not Cityjet, i flew with then when they operated the GLA-LCY route on behalf of KLM uk and they were pretty poor.....


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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

I don't think landing rights should be tied to airplane purchases in any way or form. I just hope EI is not going to pull an Iberia and game Boeing to squeeze a better price out of Airbus.

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

The majority of EI's A330s were delivered in 1994. A few more were delivered in the late 90s early 00s. If Boeing is smart, they will tie in launch customer status on the 7E7 with a 737-800 deal. This would be a much needed win for Boeing in Europe and would actually work to both parties benefit.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
25 Bestwestern : DUB LCY will go to BA, who have opened a ARJ base there, currently serving CDG, FRA and GLA. DUB LCY is not a profitable route for EI
26 BY188B : I think this would be great for BA. As LCY is popular with business travellers and the airport is close to the City and Canary Wharf, BA has a real ch
27 Styles : If Aer Lingus go with Boeing for the B738s, perhaps a few phone calls will be made to DC to permit a short term solution to EI's lack of additional ga
28 TransSwede : The 7E7 is still a "paper" aircraft - in other words, not much of a marketing leverage for anything unless some detailed and realistic specifications
29 N79969 : If Ireland wanted Open-Skies with the US on an interim basis (until the EU gets its continent wide proposal together), it would probably get one. I do
30 Kaitak : My personal view, having looked at this from both sides is that an Airbus order is most likely - if for no other reason than that 17 A320s must be che
31 CV990 : Hi! Did Aer Lingus ever considered buying Boeing? Regards
32 Aer Lingus : As far as I know Since Aer Lingus has painted some of their Boeing 737-548's and 737-448's. I knew the aircrafts would retire shortly. Because the 747
33 N79969 : Kaitak, I disagree on the extent that politics play a role here at least with regards to the US. It is not the US is unwilling to sign Open-Skies with
34 Cwapilot : "...but where Airbus has another edge is that they can place orders for A320's and have the option to upgrade them to A321's or downgrade them to A319
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