Raven111 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 106 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7612 times:
I also remember hearing about a person that had robbed someone or stole something and was aboard I think a 727 and jumped out of it somewhere over the Northwest. I want to say this happened in the 70's.
Can anyone help with this?
"The secret to my success is that I always managed to live to fly another day." Chuck Yeager
For info on the ghost aspects, try a "Ghost of Flight 401" search on Yahoo. Also a good book out, same title, written by John G. Fuller. Try Amazon or Ebay for that one.
DB Cooper did indeed hijack a Northwest Orient 727-100 (can't recall exactly when), got a ransom I believe from Northwest, then bailed out somewhere over the Columbia River region of southern Washington/northern Oregon.
Tom at MSY
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EmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2121 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7474 times:
DB Cooper was also never seen again. He may very well be alive and well today. A few years after his escape, some children found a bundle of money with serial numbers that matched the ones that were given to him. Did he lose some money? Or was it scattered when his body fell to the ground.
The way he got out of the aircraft was by lowering the rear door and jumping out with one of the two parachutes that he wanted as ransom.
Soupthansa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7219 times:
DB Cooper hijacked a Northwest Orient Boeing 727-100. On 24 November 1971 he boarded the 727 (N407US,137th 727 built, del to NW 4/22/65) in Portland, Oregon and handed the Flight attendant a note demanding $200,000. The Plane went to SEA where he picked up the money. The plane departed SEA and he opened the rear stairs in flight and jumped out. It was Flight 305 from PDX to SEA and he was in seat 18C. The aircraft's history is as follows:
First flight: Friday, April 9, 1965
Delivered to Northwest April 22, 1965
Sold to Piedmont Airlines June 6, 1978 renamed Mt Mitchell Pacemaker
and re-registered as N838N
Sold to Key Airlines September 25, 1984 and registered N29KA
Sold to Aviation Sales Company December 31, 1986 and leased back to Key
Sold to Worldcorp Leasing June 1, 1988 and leased back to Key
Withdrawn from service January 1993 and stored at Greenwood, Mississippi
Sold to Memphis Group October 1993
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7119 times:
Wasn't there some kind of change made to the 727's after this happened, that prevented the opening of the tail stairs in flight? And wasn't the change named after the person who thought it up, who was a NWA employee? Anyone?
Ntspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7072 times:
Yes, I recall watching a show on either the History Channel or Discover about the Cooper hijacking; at the end of the program they said that because of him tail stairs were eliminated on commercial a/c.
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AA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7010 times:
Yes, I remember the story. Actually I have the movie and there is a book on it. The movie is about the actual crash, the book was about the ghost. From what I remember when I was at TWA there were actual sitings at TWA too, since some of the parts (ie ovens, coffee makers thing like that) were sold to TWA from EA, these were parts I guessed salvaged in 401. The captain supposedly was the one who appeared in various places, in the cabin, sitting like a deadhead (no pun intended) or in the glass on the oven. He would always say that there would never be another crash of an L1011 due to pilot error again. As far as I know, there has not been. DL was attributed to weather, and I cannot recall any others.. That is the story and how I remember it being told to me..
Flyingblind From United States of America, joined May 2001, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6955 times:
Actually the stairs are still there on all 727's, if they were not the plane would tip on it but when ever the back got to heavy. They ended up putting what is called a DB Cooper latch on the aft airstairs, this latch is in the unlocked position when the plane is stationary but when in flight the latch is pushed closed by the air and thus prevents the aft airstairs from being lowered in flight.
Vimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1508 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6811 times:
Apart from the story of the Ghost of Flight 401, the other supernatural story from commercial aviation that I heard was regarding Ms. Neerja Bhanot - the Pan Am F/A who was killed during the KHI hijack in the late eighties. From some reports, her mother apparently contacted her through a planchette. Sorry but no further details. Would be interested to have any further details on this.
Sarfaroshi kii tamannaa ab hamaare dil mein hai, Dekhnaa hai zor kitnaa baazu-e-qaatil mein hai
StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6772 times:
EmiratesA345, et. al.:
The Northwest flight left PDX in November 1971 (or was it 1972?), and headed up to SEA. On the way, the flight was hijacked, and the plane sat on the ramp at SEA while the money ($200k I think) was being put together in bags and the serial numbers marked. Once Cooper got the money, he ordered the captain to take off and head south again. About 30-45 minutes after takeoff, he lowered the airstair in back, and jumped out. At the time of the incident, it's believed the plane was over Cowlitz County, Washington, near the town of Ariel, and just west of Mt. St. Helens. Very rugged area and dense forest, no trace was ever found.
In 1980, some kids playing on the beach at the Columbia River found some money, and the serial numbers on the bills matched those that were recorded before the money bag was given to Cooper. No money or body has been found since.
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4195 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6630 times:
I read the book "Ghost of Flight 401" when I was teenager (late '80s) and it freaked me out. I'm not one easily spooked but perhaps combining ghosts and the paranormal with one of my loves, aviation, hit pretty close to home.
The gist of the story is that Eastern L-1011 left JFK for MIA one cold night in December 1972, soon after the type was placed in service for EA. The book describes in great detail some of the passenger bios and the way the plane looked and felt (it was new). It crashed on a go-around I think, because of something stupid like a burned out bulb. The three pilots in the cockpit, plus one technical observer, realized too late that they were about the crash. The good news is that some people made it out. I don't recall the numbers, but I want to say about half lived.
The captain, Bob Loft, was well known to most EA employees at that time. He had tons of experience and was very highly regarded. Obviously the aircraft was written off, but non-critical parts of the plane were rehabilitated and re-used on newer aircraft or for spares.
The L-1011 was unique because the "kitchen" area was actually below deck in a small space only accessible by a small elevator. One aircraft, I do not recall the tail number, inherited several pieces of galley equipment from the doomed plane and, not surprisingly, this plane was the one that had the most sightings.
There were also sightings of the captain, as AA777MIA pointed out. One time, another pilot was summoned to the cabin because of a mysterious uniformed captain who was sitting in First Class but was not on the manifest. The pilot came out and saw Bob Loft, who then vanished - spooky stuff! Sounds Scooby-Dooish, but it is still creepy!
There were also apparations seen and voices heard, one from the flight engineer that indicated that no Eastern L-1011 would ever crash again due to a mechanical glitch. Fortunately, this was not proved wrong (even after Delta picked up the former EA planes). Yes, there was the DL L-1011 accident in DFW in the 1980s, but Eastern still existed at that time and that was not a mechanical accident (wind shear).
Anyway, there is a website out there that more accurately summarizes these strange goings-on.
I may just buy it, since I lost my copy years ago. It's an interesting combination of talking about the actual crash, the appearances of the ghosts on Eastern flights later on, the apparent cover-up by EA management of the appearances of these ghosts, and how the ghosts eventually disappeared from this world. I enjoyed it immensely. I'd recommend it.
: Here are some facts about N310EA and flight 401. First, one story had it that the haunted airplane had parts that were salvaged from N310EA. False. Ea
: Interesting response, Broke, but I'm not sure I buy the part about Eastern having a policy not to reuse parts from a crashed airliner. The way N310EA
: All I need to read prior to going to bed. Certainly interesting...
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: Broke, you can assert that, but I talked to some EA workers about 10 years back, who were with EA back then, and they say the parts, definitely, were
: Broke, from the Fullers book and the movie you can find out that they reused coffee makers and some other parts in their L1011s. Rafal
: If you want to read a good book about Eastern 401, try "Crash" by Rob and Sarah Elder. It's a thoughtfully written and well-researched tale of what ha
: First, one story had it that the haunted airplane had parts that were salvaged from N310EA. False. I remember that Ship 308 had an avionics rack assem