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Pilot Arrested Over Air 'joke'  
User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11756 times:

Hi

Just noticed on the BBC web page that an Air France pilot was arrested in New York for making a joke about having a bomb in his shoe while passing through security. Ridiculously enough, he is to appear in front of a judge and may face up to 11 years in prison. For making a joke.

Personally, I think this is ludicrous. Verbal jokes, not matter how inappropriate, should not be an offense. Besides, one gets the vague impression that his being French might have played a factor....

Regards

Ikarus

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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11627 times:

Actually there are signs at the airport informing passengers not to make such jokes. It's very common knowledge that you can't say things like that in the US. If anything the moron should be fired.


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User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11605 times:

And this is proof that everyone in the states are uptight. Comon man, it's a freakin joke!


I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11589 times:

N766UA: Fired, sure, why not. But arrested and threatened with 11 years of imprisonment? No.

User currently offlineFLYING MACHINE From Spain, joined May 2002, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11554 times:

I agree with Ikarus!

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11547 times:

I agree he should not be imprisoned, but everyone know's you can't say that. That's why I say suspend or fire the guy. Can't have that kind of incompetance flying an airliner around.


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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11530 times:

From the articleThe airline said the pilot had been arrested following "misinterpreted remarks".

I've learned to just keep my mouth shut when at the airport, especially around security officers. They really look for ways to screw you; it's part of their power trip.



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineAngelAirways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11494 times:


i cant believe this! talk about the civil liberties and freedom of speech...

some people have no sense of humour.. and now the 'security' measures in the US are making life more and more like that in North Korea... watch what you say or else...

absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable.. i mean ARREST?!!
they should just caution him.. not fire, let alone arrest him. hope he gets out of this... poor fellow. a victim of american hatred of the french and of public paranoia.


User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11430 times:

A pilot should know better, there have been signs in Airports all over the world for years, that you cannot make jokes about bombs, and that all jokes will be taken seriously. People were arrested for this long before Sept 11.

Freedom of speech is not an issue. Along the same lines of yelling 'Fire' in a crowded theatre.

Several Passangers and Pilots have been arrested for this, and it has been discussed on this very forum, for the same types of jokes, so him being French should have nothing to do with it, and will bet did not.

vafi88, next time you go through security make a joke about a bomb and see what happens, then come back and talk to us- try it overseas also, and give us a full report.


Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4378 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11391 times:

First of all, i kind of have a problem with the shoe thing in general. I personally have made comments about it at security, saying things like 'look what one moron makes us all go through' etc. etc. The shoe removal is one of the lengthier parts of the security screening, and has drastically increased lines all over the country. We need to ask ourselves, isnt there a better way to do this? There could be an x-ray type machine at the bottom of the metal detector, or explosive detecting device to stop over or SOMETHING. I dont know what other people think, but i think this particular shoe matter is being handled poorly, and is too far up on the priority list at the moment.


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User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11363 times:

The guy should lose his job and maybe his ATP but not have jail time just an fine of lets say 10,000USD. I dont care how stupid it sounds but it is an law in the us and the PILOT should have know.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11327 times:

To say this is some sort of Anti-French act is total bullshit, you cannot say such a thing without being expected to face consecuences.

Lots of "stupid" folks have made such comments and been arrested, no one's been sentenced to prison. But making these idiots take a perp walk , and sitting in a cell for a couple hours while they are arraigned is worthy punishment.

If this guy gets 11 years, then that's something to complain about.

Most likely this guy is going to get a fine and probabtion, which does not mean much since he's not a US citizien.

But to say such a thing is beyond comprehension, you cannot yell "fire" and not expect consecuences if your lying.

Richard Reed the "shoe bomber" was trying to blow up a flight from Paris to the US, I would hope anyone making lite of that in front of security screeners at an Airport would be punished.

Saying "I have a bomb in my shoe" is no different than saying "im going to kill you", you cannot say "Im going to kill you/someone". That's a terroristic threat, which is a crime.

Free speech does not cover threatening people's lives, threatening (even in jest) people's lives is a crime.



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User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11315 times:

I would give him a hefty fine and some jail time. He also should be fired. Yes, we may be uptight.....but we are one of the safest countries in the world. I am very happy that we have a zero tolerance policy about jokes pertaining to security. Its no joking matter.

So to those who think we are uptight, think what happened back on that September morning and then you will understand why we do the things we do in the USA and around the world.


User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11307 times:

we don't know if he said:
"...I have a bomb in my shoe" or "I have a bomb in my shoe"

If he said "It's not like i have a bomb in my shoe" then this is taken way out of proportion.


User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11283 times:

No its not. You should not mention anything about a "bomb" when going through security. Common sense goes a long way.

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11270 times:

I just find it utterly astonishing that people think they can make jokes at airline security checkpoints.

When are people going to learn? Security isn't a goddamn joke - treat it like one, and you'll pay the price one day.

The job of airline security is difficult enough without some @rsehole trying to do the unfunny "bomb in my bag" routine. There needs to be a tough deterrent to stop other idiots like him.

And those of you who think he was only having a laugh - I hope you'll find it just as funny if the personnel on your next flight treat the whole matter of security as a joke.


User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11250 times:


"And this is proof that everyone in the states are uptight. Comon man, it's a freakin joke "

How soon we forget about Sept 11, and those who were killed. Imagine if the pilot was not joking? Wasn't it Egypt Air that the copilot killed everyone onboard?


User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11246 times:

Well said backfire. When will they learn.

User currently offlineFunflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11236 times:

You know i believe that it is great he was stopped.
What if he really had a bomb?
If we did not stop him it would be our fault.
People that think it is okay to joke about anything like that at a SECURITY CHECK POINT should think about it.
What if he had a bomb and was the pilot of your flight?



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4378 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11216 times:

If he really had a bomb, he wouldnt joke about it at a security checkpoint! But it was a stupid thing to say, but hopefully will be dealt with intelligently. We also dont know the exact words stated, but 'bomb' in any context there is not very intelligent.


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User currently offlineFunflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11203 times:

How do you know what he would do? Jpete.

No one knows what crazy people mean and dont mean.



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11196 times:

And this is proof that everyone in the states are uptight. Comon man, it's a freakin joke!
***************

Same rules apply in the UK, same rules apply in Canada, it isn't just the US. People, you have to remember that with 9.11, lots of things were missed, and if that guy had blown up his plane, and it was found out that earlier in the day, he told security that he was going to do it, and they just laughed it off, there would be trouble. Lastly, the flying public, or people in the security lines around him do not get a huge confidence boost when people do things like this.

Why is it that when an idiot does something like this, you guys totally ignore his accountability, and just blame the US ?


User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11180 times:

You know i believe that it is great he was stopped.
What if he really had a bomb?
If we did not stop him it would be our fault.


No one disagrees that it was right to stop him and search him if he was stupid enough to make an unfunny joke.

What I (and others) disagree with is arresting him and threatening him with jail - what I disagree with is that there is a law in the US that potentially punishes such jokes with 11 years of jail....

There's a difference between yelling "fire" and causing a stampede and danger for people, and making a stupid joke. One is potentially lethal, the other merely tasteless, a cavalier's delict if any at all.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4378 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11175 times:

i did not say that he shouldnt have been apprehended for this, i just meant that people here were talking about it here as a formidable threat when they dont even know what he said.


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User currently offlineFunflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11169 times:

I completly agree with Artsyman





To respond to Ikarus:

It is right to throw him in jail because if we don't more people with think it is okay to do stupid things.



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25 Post contains images Ikarus : It is right to throw him in jail because if we don't more people with think it is okay to do stupid things. Last time I checked there was no law again
26 JpetekYXMD80 : That is what i was thinking, people do stupid things, a lot.........
27 Teva : As some people said earlier, we don't know exactly what was said. BBC reports misinterpreted words. English is not the native language of French peopl
28 Artsyman : Whether you guys like the rules or not, they are rules. There are avenues open to appeal them if you like. What do you think would happen in virtually
29 OE-LDA : I remember a guy in the United States who made a joke while testing a microphone on public radio that the US started to bomb the USSR with nuclear bom
30 Post contains images Cancidas : the funniest thing is that the US sees itself as a "FREE" country. what a fucking joke! this pilot should not have ever been arrested or threatened wi
31 Teva : Jeremy, I believe you, but in CDG,they must be a large as a post stamp, because I have never seen them....And I work here, and it the origin of my tri
32 777236ER : A pilot wouldn't need a bomb in his shoe to destroy the plane he's flying. Becomes a bit pointless really.
33 Artsyman : Maybe if people had not assumed that the pilot of Egyptair was joking when he told his fellow employee that he wouldn't be alive after the flight, the
34 Funflyer : HOW DARE YOU CANCIDAS EVER MAKE FUN OF YOUR OWN COUNTRY? YOU MAKE ME SICKThere are limitations to free speech you cant yell fire in a crowded place. S
35 ANA777master : Perhaps the guy was being a smart-ass and showed his contempt toward the American screeners. They should have kicked his ass right on the spot, if thi
36 Artsyman : A pilot wouldn't need a bomb in his shoe to destroy the plane he's flying. Becomes a bit pointless really. *************** Maybe he doesn't want to bl
37 JpetekYXMD80 : Yeah, free speech is limited, i have myself said that it doesnt really exist. Fire in theatre, bomb in airport are well known peramters for this. FunF
38 AF002 : I hope it's only to make an example out of him that it's gone that far. Except that, things are getting out of control. Security is more about percept
39 OE-LDA : The answer to FunFlyer's question is very simple: In a free society you CAN make fun of your own country. And if it is a strong country then it will g
40 FSPilot747 : The poor guy makes a damn joke, and our country has to go arrest him and consider making him pay 11 years of his life in jail for it? The guy shouldn'
41 Cmckeithen : Well your right about one thing FSPilot747.....some of the TSA agents are idiots, but they know their jobs. And when you make a joke like that, the co
42 777236ER : Maybe he doesn't want to blow up his own plane, maybe he just wants to get the bomb through security to give to someone else. 9.11 had plenty of insid
43 Cmckeithen : Right 777236ER. I am happy that we have such tight security measures in place at our airports. I would not mind taking 30mins to get through security
44 JBirdAV8r : A pilot should know better, there have been signs in Airports all over the world for years, that you cannot make jokes about bombs, and that all jokes
45 Airplanetire : What ever happened to freedom of speech in the United States? I thought that was in our constitution. Now I would understand submitting him to a THORO
46 JBirdAV8r : Airplanetire, Freedom of speech doesn't apply when a threat is made. Could I walk up to a police officer and say "I am going to kill you" and get away
47 Post contains images Ghost77 : Stupid pilot!!! You can't say stupid things or do jokes... in the US specially when you are at a security check point in the airport were you almost b
48 Artsyman : I'm going to kill you all" completly dead-pan and with no smiling shouldn't get you 11 years in prison and the loss of your career and pension. ******
49 Gnomon : Yet another example of the conservative right in the U.S. taking things way too far. It was a small aside, an attempt at friendly banter with the TSA
50 OO-AOG : Whenever you go to the United States, one rule: Yes Sir, I agree Sir, Thank you Sir. Don't ever try to argue or make jokes, they don't have any sense
51 JpetekYXMD80 : "If people don't like security it's fine! But, uou do can make a lot of faces showing your anger, but making those kind of jokes it's not an excuse fo
52 HlywdCatft : **a victim of american hatred of the french and of public paranoia.** Oh give me a freaking break!! Stop the pity party for the French who have been r
53 Rey777 : Is freedom of speech in the US Constitution ???
54 Varig md-11 : hi he should have not behaved like a smart-ass, which I suppose he did. AF disciplinary sanctions, yes because he created a great commotion. jail ? go
55 Artsyman : thank you for comparing our AF smart-ass pilot to Egyptair's extremist : that helps....and since France is close to Egypt (so people think in some are
56 Post contains images Luisinho : Hell Folks, In this period of trouble, with the war in Iraq, the terrorists and all that stuff, i think that is not apropriate saying that type of jok
57 Post contains images Varig md-11 : Artysman I am aware of the very diet version of the conlusions concerning Egyptair. Please read the cockpit voice recorder print out you can find on F
58 Diezel : Don't forget, it is very easy to make stupid remarks at security points. Especially when you are in a hurry. Last year I was passing security in MIA f
59 Airplanetire : Good point JBirdAV8r. My mistake. Anyway, I still believe 11 years in prison WAY TOO MUCH TIME. Murderers can get out of jail on parole after this amo
60 Jhooper : Everyone is a damn fool for at least 15 minutes per day, and this guy's 15 minutes happened to be at airport security. Down here in Houston, there are
61 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : @Gnomon: Allow me to clarify my position a bit...sorry for the misunderstanding. I don't believe this incident comes anywhere near justifying the MAXI
62 Post contains images Varig md-11 : Diezel I think you should have been electrocuted on the spot airports should have these startrek style gates where a felon is disintegrated the minute
63 Continental : It's a damn joke! 11 years is ridiculous! If I got 11 years off that, I'd try my damned hardest to break out! co
64 Post contains images Varig md-11 : Jhooper I agree 100%...we are all fools at least 15 minutes a day...bad timing, his 15 minutes were just during security check
65 Luv2fly : If they had not taken this guy seriously and the worst case happened and the plane was blown up, then everyone would have been on the TSA agent for no
66 Lt-AWACS : "Lt-AWACS, I am a frequent traveler. Not only in Europe, but India, DXB, Russia, South America. And I have never seen the signs you mention. " Teva: W
67 Post contains images Ola : I agree with all the others who don't see any sense in this case. 11 years is (would be) more than unbelievable and I don't believe his sentence will
68 FSPilot747 : I like the way Jay Leno put it the other night. Seeing that Iraq is in need of a constitution, we should just give them ours. We don't seem to use it
69 Jhooper : Yea, he would never get 11 years. I wonder how much jail time he'd face if he actually DID bring a bomb with him to the checkpoint? 5 years max?
70 CO/ba : I don't think he should be fired or imprisoned (which won't happen anyway). Maybe a fine. There are signs and even prior to 9-11 you could get into t
71 EmiratesA345 : "Stop the pity party for the French who have been rude to Americans for decades." Oh please! You poor thing. Its not like Americans never have anythin
72 DoorsToManual : Well, I wasn't there. Here's my 1 euro's worth: if it was a sincere slip of the tongue: fine, but a warning is still in order. if he was trying to be
73 KL911 : TSA nowadays remind me of some 1940-1945 organisations. You can't stop everybody, search them and question them in Europe. You need to have a good re
74 Post contains images Ikarus : Well, as I started this thread.... The reason why it is easy to suspect anti-French sentiment is complex. First, there's the case of a French steward
75 Cancidas : do we even know what exactly he said and in what context? i think that the high school dropout screeners at airports are a bit over-zealous.
76 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : KL911, What if the guy really did have a bomb in his shoe and blew up the aircraft, then later it was revealed that the screener was notified? Big "wh
77 KL911 : Thanks Ikarus, I totally agree with this. I love the US, used to work there a lot, but I don't think the land of freedom exist anymore. Rules rules a
78 JBirdAV8r : KL911, So they don't have airport security in Europe then? Telling a screener in Europe that you're a terrorist would be met with laughter and a "wave
79 KL911 : "Telling a screener in Europe that you're a terrorist would be met with laughter and a "wave-off"? he said "It's not like i have a bomb in my shoe" So
80 DoorsToManual : the fact that an Air France pilot said it probably weighs in a lot on its newsworthiness Hopefully the fact that a pilot made the remark is what the m
81 Teahan : "Telling a screener in Europe that you're a terrorist would be met with laughter and a "wave-off"? While I by no means agree with how this guy is trea
82 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Fair enough KL911... From the BBC: A witness told the French news agency AFP that the man had jokingly referred to a bomb in his shoes as he passed th
83 Buckfifty : Let's face it, this guy probably won't get jail time. Though I must say, him being arrested is most likely not a French thing, rules re rules. But it
84 Elwood64151 : I've only read the first few posts, and so I don't know the direction this discussion has gone. I'm only going to say this: "Your freedom of self-expr
85 Buckfifty : What mattered was that the security agent thought it could be serious. Just to play devil's advocate for a sec... Imagine an actual bomber going throu
86 BillElliott9 : The AF pilot is a professional who should set the example and not be a wise guy. The fact he was arrested is NOT a freedom of speech issue. Any sugges
87 Post contains images Serge : This reminds me of the idiots I overheard in the Huntsville airport terminal talking about bombs and explosives on planes.. I didn't notify anyone bec
88 Delta-flyer : I love the US ..... but I don't think the land of freedom exist anymore. Rules rules and rules. When your a innocent smoker you know where I'm talking
89 Jhooper : he said "It's not like i have a bomb in my shoe" So whats the problem? Have you ever seen Meet the Parents? "It's not like I have a bomb!" "You can't
90 Boeing4ever : This man is an idiot to the fullest degree. I agree, prison it too harsh for stupidity though. He should fined and fired. If I ran an airline where my
91 Tomulis : I think people just do not realize that "I have a bomb" and "Fire in the Theater" are two totally different things! First of all, by saying "I have a
92 Ual747 : Okay, First of all, I remember back in the 80's, joking about having a bomb or joking about hijacking aircraft was not allowed in US airports. This wa
93 JBirdAV8r : From CNN.com: NEW YORK (CNN) -- An Air France co-pilot was arrested Friday night at John F. Kennedy International Airport after he told security he ha
94 Wingman : I didn't realize this was a US issue only. I've pulled out my French phrase book to learn the exact translation or something close like "j'avez de exp
95 Pe@rson : Surely it would have been more beneficial to have searched him and acted accordingly? Although being arrested does sound severe under the circumstance
96 Jhooper : What a load of crap. The TSA screeners are a bunch of pansies. You scare them shitless when you look at them funny. They will get you back though. The
97 Covert : International pilot: $100,000 a year TSA screener: 8 dollars an hour TSA Power rush: priceless The pilot should have known way better than that. He ma
98 Teva : I think that a part of the information is missing in the various reports. I have heard before this story complaints by French pilots being targets of
99 DoorsToManual : In this case , the fault is 50/50 Not really. The fault lies 100% with the person who made the idiotic comment (idiotic because of the environment he
100 CaptainStabbin : International pilot: $100,000 a year TSA screener: 8 dollars an hour TSA Power rush: priceless The pilot should have known way better than that. He ma
101 Post contains images Lamyl_hhlco : That reminds me of the movie "Meet the parents" with Robert de Niro and Ben stiller when he got in the airplane and arguing with the flight attendant
102 Delta-flyer : Exactly because the TSA workers are not the nation's brightest and most intelligent, there has to be rigid rules for them (and passengers) to follow.
103 Jhooper : Lamyl_hhlco posted: That reminds me of the movie "Meet the parents" with Robert de Niro and Ben stiller when he got in the airplane and arguing with t
104 Post contains images DoorsToManual : There's the "pro civil liberities" variety and the pro "government intervention" variety That's too simplistic a description of people's feelings here
105 Post contains images AngelAirways : ok ok. enough arguing. Next time anyone of us passes CDG say "je porte une bombe dans ma chaussure" and smile see if u get arrested
106 AngelAirways : oh never mind. the offences cant stop can they.
107 Post contains images AngelAirways : actually you probably won't get a chance to say anything because monsieur le gendarme will wave you through
108 Cmckeithen : Well.....if every one would stop defending the pilot and realize why we...in the USA take these kinds of jokes about security seriously, they would st
109 PHX-LJU : Cmckeithen wrote: "Stiffer penalties need to be in place for jerks like that, who think it is funny to make jokes about security." What about people w
110 Post contains images AngelAirways : >>I would rather live in an up-tight country that cares about its citizens security than a country that passes things off.
111 Cmckeithen : Its not an ethnic slur. Its the truth! Jerks is referring to everyone who thinks its funny to make jokes about airport security. It so happens that th
112 Cmckeithen : Terrorism is rampant every where and every one is at risk in their own way. It so happens that the major attack occurred on our soil, so it makes sens
113 Teva : Delta-flyer, when you say: "Exactly because the TSA workers are not the nation's brightest and most intelligent, there has to be rigid rules for them
114 PHX-LJU : Cmckeithen wrote: Its not an ethnic slur. Its the truth! Jerks is referring to everyone who thinks its funny to make jokes about airport security. I d
115 Cmckeithen : The whole issue would not be up for discussion, if people would stop siding with the pilot and realize why we (USA) is making a big deal of the issue.
116 Delta-flyer : Teva..who is "them"? Are you talking about the TSA agents? Yes ... my point is that both the agents and passengers know the rules, so there is no ques
117 Delta-flyer : Review, debate, possibly repeal certain laws? - yes Bravo!! The US has an institution that does exactly that ... the Supreme Court. That's where peopl
118 Cmckeithen : What does contesting laws have to do with this topic?
119 Jeffrey1970 : I can remember since the early 1980's security has been arresting people at US airports who make jokes about terrorism. I don't know wether this Air F
120 Speedbirdyvr : "Oh give me a freaking break!! Stop the pity party for the French who have been rude to Americans for decades." Oh for God's sake, get over it. The Fr
121 Cmckeithen : If they believe in America and claim to have given us this stuff......then why did they not assist us in "Operation Iraqui Freedom." I mean after all
122 FSPilot747 : Why do so many Americans whine about how rude the French are when Americans are the biggest asses when it comes to the French anyways? If you guys wan
123 Cmckeithen : This is getting blown way out of proportion. The French are not rude, they have issues with us as we do with them. What this pilot said did not help m
124 Richierich : I can't believe there are people on here supporting the pilot for saying these remarks! Security is no joke and it should not be taken as such. Being
125 Jhooper : I don't think anyone here believes the pilot was not in the wrong, but I still can't believe he's being charged with a felony, which is a most serious
126 Covert : How the hell did black people get into this guys? Anyways, the issue at hand is debatable unless we hear an actual recording of the comment made by th
127 Tsully : poor fellow. a victim of american hatred of the french and of public paranoia. That is total crap. For one, any American hatred of the French was brou
128 Lamyl_hhlco : The question is, was he smilling and relaxed when he said that joke or was he under pressure from the TSA screener and just released the Joke? That co
129 Speedbirdyvr : Excuse me, but the French did not backstab America. Just because they didn't agree with you doesn't mean they are anti-American. In fact, they remaine
130 762er : Speedbirdyvr: Just thought I'd point out that only one of the five major democratic candidates up for election in '04 was against the war. I agree, no
131 Post contains images PHX-LJU : Tsully wrote: "For one, any American hatred of the French was brought on by them. We didn't ask them to stab us in the back." Of course. The French pe
132 747400sp : He should have had more since than to make a joke like that. I can not believe somebody whose I charge of so many lives would say something that.
133 Lamyl_hhlco : what I've read from the french news, when the pilot got through the Scan point ,it blinked so that he made his joke of having a bomb in his shoes. Wel
134 Varig md-11 : hi as a Frenchman who loves the USA I am so sad to read some of the comments here..... I know trash press is very active in the US/UK but do the anti-
135 KL911 : '''If they believe in America and claim to have given us this stuff......then why did they not assist us in "Operation Iraqui Freedom." ''' Why would
136 Cmckeithen : The American commercial airline fleet is made up of mostly Boeing aircraft. Yes, some of our airlines do fly the Airbus however it is only a few of th
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