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User currently offlineSrilankan_340 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2002, 201 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5899 times:

Interesting article in the Times today about the delayed MyTravel flight....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-775181,00.html






People are often unreasonable, illogical and self- centered: Forgive them anyway - Mother Theresa
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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5310 posts, RR: 61
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5837 times:

Articles like this are the result of giving honest information to customers.  Insane

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5825 times:

He should not have asked them. Just told them "We're ready for takeoff now, get onboard".

And the airline definitely shouldn't refund those 13 pax that decided to stay and book alternative flights on another airline.


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

It astounds me that those 13 passengers actually believed that Captain was willing to risk his own life flying an aircraft which was not airworthy.  Insane

They were offered their chance to fly home and they refused, they will not get their money back for having to make their own arrangements.



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineSrilankan_340 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2002, 201 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5751 times:

I agree. too much information is bad....

If anyone who has the authority to asses whether the plane is safe to fly or not, its the captain.

Let's face it, the crew aren't going to take-off if they feel its not safe are they?

IMO He shouldn't have asked the passengers. Just apologised for the delay and flown out as normal.

What puzzles me is why wasn't there any aircraft engineers at Minorca? Is it normal for pilots to start fixing aircraft problems? Is it another cost cutting measure by MyTravel  Confused





People are often unreasonable, illogical and self- centered: Forgive them anyway - Mother Theresa
User currently offlineLBA From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5720 times:

The story from a local angle:

http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticleMore2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=573547&Page=2&ReturnUrl=NewsFrontMore.aspx

and

http://www.thisisbradford.co.uk/bradford__district/bradford/news/BRAD_NEWS3.html


User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

A passenger: The captain said he had been told by his bosses he had to take off.

Now that sounds like someone misquoting the captain in order to get into a newspaper (and give the airline bad publicity) in a petty act of revenge...


User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5456 times:

(...sitting here scratching my head...) What indicator light could have been fixed by moving bags, moving people, and slamming on brakes on the runway/taxiway?

Anyone... Anyone... Bueller... Bueller?


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

Ahh, how that article brought back the memories for me of my first years in aviation as a check-in agent at LBA dealing with those knock-on delay situations...........

The once a year charter passengers really don't have the slightest clue, they really are the worst people to deal with when their flight is delayed. They don't understand the realites of it because they only fly once a year and expect their flight to be ontime, they expect to pay peanuts and get a first class service, expect to be compensated for every slightest mishap. The amount of times I've heard some gyppo tell me they are "gonna sue" me because they were delayed for a couple of hours is unreal, and the ones who think that it's the airlines fault becuse it's snowy/foggy etc you just have to hear it to believe it. At least the business travellers understand that things can and do go wrong.

"We were shell shocked" - yeah right o about what, that a machine that is built by man had actually broken down on their 2nd yearly flight and actually needed to be fixed !!!. Get in the real world people - there are far worse things going on in it than an a/c breaking down, and there were probably hundreds of other a/c with tech problems that day too throughout the world.

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineSrilankan_340 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2002, 201 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5277 times:

they expect to pay peanuts and get a first class service

Leezyjet

Its probably the classic Yorkshire phenomenon!!  Wink/being sarcastic






People are often unreasonable, illogical and self- centered: Forgive them anyway - Mother Theresa
User currently offlineBmistaff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5239 times:

I think that they have a right not to be happy. If you buy a flight no matter how cheap you expect more than anything safety. If the plane had a problem then the engineer is the person who should fix it. They are upset because an unqualified person fixed the plane. If the pilot was qualified to do this the airlines wouldn't need to send people on four year courses in airline engineering. But at the end of the day the pilot is only qualified to fly the thing. I say MyTravel should have paid for them to get home another way or at least reaccommodated them on another MyTravel flight.

User currently offlineBuckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

I think there is justification for a gripe.

There are very few airlines in the world that would involve paying passengers as part of the process to repair a/c. There are fewer airlines still in the civilized world which would use such crude methods (braking heavily on the runway) to fix a problem (probably be cheaper to fly a couple of engineers out there, instead of wasting all that fuel). However, this last part could have been due to the rejected takeoffs, and perhaps a bit too much sensational journalism.

So, after such a weird and drastic episode, the captain (who by now must have appeared to the passengers as a tired, perhaps a none-too-happy person) asks you to board his flight. Of course passengers would have been weary.

However, if the above mentioned are part of a incorrectly filed story, then I will stand corrected.


User currently offlineE1FAIL From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

J32driver.....We occasionally have problems with the ATR that sound like that. If the ramp doesn't load the bags before the pax board, there is the possibility of the plane tipping back far enough that the nose strut WOW switch will go "target far" and cause an AOA caution if the alpha probes aren't level or nearly level. The fix would be to wait for the strut to compress, which sounds like what this guy was trying to do, compress the nose strut.

User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Lengthy report about this on Radio 4 at lunch time. Whilst no one from the airline commented, a passenger who flew back on the airplane said that the reports were over-egged, that the captain wasn't covered in oil and all that from fixing the aeroplane (no suggestion that he even suggested he had been fixing the airplane himself), and that at no time were they really concerned. I guess some tech issues just phase inexperienced travellers. Apparently however the aircraft did make two aborted take-offs, finally departing on the third. Given that the captain was, according to the passenger who travelled, giving plenty of reassurances that the aeroplane was safe and that he was happy to fly it and that the aircraft made a totally uneventful flight back to the UK, I'd guess that those who opted out feel pretty stupid right now. Fundamentally, it comes down to the ignorance of passengers who don't fly very often, who for some reason when problems occasionally arise seem to think that airlines will chuck aircraft into the air without a thought for passenger safety, let alone the safety of their own staff.

Andy


User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Aahhh... squat switch... didn't think about that one.

User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Perhaps the passengers were scared or whatever, but to me it seems like everything was handled well and the captain at all times wanted to keep his pax informed on the situation. Some media stories have been fine, stating facts, whereas others I have seen can only be described as poor....

"HOLIDAYMAKERS had to board a plane plagued by technical problems or be left stranded in Minorca, angry passengers revealed today.".
From Leeds Today http://www.leedstoday.net/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=39&ArticleID=573402. Plagues by problems!!! Hardly.

Interestingly, on BBC news pages you can leave comments (although sorted by BBC to see which are posted and not, and you do have to leave your details). I will extract this one... " was one of the passengers on this flight (with my wife and 2 young children) and have been amazed by the inaccuracy of the reporting on this event........." (it goes on to say how it has been blown out of all proportion.)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3143237.stm


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4708 times:

Srilankan_340,

Being from Yorkshire myself, thats exactly what it is  Big grin

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
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