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Announcement By AA On Aug 15th  
User currently offlineB777FA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 246 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7572 times:

Ok, rumour has it that AA is going to make a big announcement on the 15th August.I haven't been at work for 2 weeks so I haven't heard anything from my fellow colleagues. Does anyone know what's up?

Jeff

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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

I know that AA plans to announce some relatively large scheduling cutbacks. They've already announced reductions at the STL hub. AA is supposedly cutting back some frequencies out of DFW and ORD, but nothing as drastic as STL.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

Maybe they'll fire some more people from the other companies they have gobbled up...or maybe it's the new "LBTC" (Less Bitchiness Throughout Coach) initiative they've been tossing around in focus groups, not unlike the $2 headsets, where you can pay $75 for a courtesy ticket so that you will be treated like a human being on your flight, and receive complimentary courtesy each time you board future flights, IF you still have your courtesy ticket...Less Bitchiness Throughout Coach. Only on American.





Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineTi717 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

Could it be which maintenance center they are closing (AFW, MCI, or TUL)



Sir, don't you think we should turn on the runway lights?" "No, that's just what there expecting us to do!"
User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7275 times:


I believe whatever announcement is rumored is going to be regarding maintenance. Don't forget, AA hasn't reveled it's plans for that yet. On the note of schedule changes, I don't think any further cuts are expected- maybe just a few adjustments.


User currently offlineB777FA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

CWA pilot,
I beleive the bitching about airlines board is somewhere else.
If you cant respond to my question in a decent manner then dont post at all.


User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

I actually found that amusing...

B777FA - Airliners.net forums encompass the entire spectrum of aviation discussions.. including humor - which that clearly was. It was also within the guidelines of airliners.net posting rules.


User currently offlineB777FA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7066 times:

Milemaster,
Didnt say that is wasnt within the guidelines.If you look some of his previous posts on the board he complains about AA all the time because he had a bad experience on the airline. There are bad appples at AA and every other airline out there..It happens .Does he have a right to bitch.Yes,but my question wasnt :Tell me in a sarcastic way about AA service...thats all  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7042 times:

I have also been told that there could be yet another attempt by AA/BA to get US antitrustimunity. In the past the US has demanded US/UK openskies in return. I fail to see how all this could happen with the EU taking over negotiations.Apparently there have been rumors of this on other aviation websites. However, I agree with eveyone else that the announcement will be about more cutbacks or layoffs.

User currently offlineB777FA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6946 times:

The comapny has said that there will be no more F/A furloughs this fall.The flight attendants had just voted to exchange the underfly provision in the contract out for a longer duty day on domestic flying and this was going to result in 200+ furloughs.
A lot of our flights especially here in NY have been going out understaffed and the reserves have been flying like crazy so I couldnt see anymore F/A layoffs for the immediate future.

A capt on my roomates flight said that it might involve the sale of part or all of eagle but I cant see AA selling AE as its an important feeder and brings a lot of traffic from the smaller cities.


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6951 times:

bAAd AApples on this boAArd? no wAAy.

User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Is this the guy who got all pissed because his grandmother didn't get a wheelchair?

User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

Is this "big announcement" going to be of interest to the general public, or just AA employees?

User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3283 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6709 times:

They'll probably announce JFK-PHX and/or BOS-PHX service to retaliate against America West's new coast-to-coast service.



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User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6527 times:

True to form 777FA...usually get much the same response when asking for something like...water with ICE during meal service lol. Humor is not in the AA culture, AAppAArently.

No, I'm not the guy that always complains about AA...I have one bad AA post to my credit. And, no, my grandmother does not need a wheelchair, so not that guy either.

The moral of our story: LIGHTEN THE HELL UP!




Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

OH, and I wouldn't say it was ONE bad experience either...I am just a glutten for punishment and kept going back, thinking the next time would be better, silly me.


Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6407 times:
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B777FA,
I wouldn't bet on no more furloughs. Flights at NW have been going out full and understaffed, but as expected we still going to make massive phased cutbacks. They want the flights as full as possible. They're trying to get every seat filled and are expecting a huge drop off after the summer is over. I think they'll be wrong as always.



Made from jets!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32874 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

The big announcement will likely be the announcement of the closure of one of thier big maintence bases...Tulsa, Ft. Worth, or Kansas City.

No major schedule cutbacks are planned whatsoever.

jmc, I don't know about BOS/JFK-PHX, but MIA-PHX service is supposedly in the pipeline. If it goes ahead, it will be a daily 752 and probably start in March 2004. It would break America West's monopoly. They offer 15 weekly non-stops...seven to MIA and eight to FLL.



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User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6228 times:

Uh oh! Another impossible to please passenger. CWAPilot, if you feel like you're always getting bad service perhaps you're expecting too much for your $61 tickets into and out of ORD. Besides, we have a few psycho "sky nazi's" working for us, but most AA F/A's are really nice. Maybe you're the one who's too "bitchy".

B777FA, I didn't hear anything about a new announcement. When did you hear about it? I worked 107 yesterday and nobody was talking about it. It will probably turn out to be something totally lame. I hope its nothing that's going to affect our jobs too much. For instance, that would suck if they took F/C off the 777's or something.



"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert
User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 971 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6162 times:

The news won't be about scheduling? Will AA completely drop it's "hub" in STL or what? How much downsizing are they actually going to be doing at STL?

Cwapilot- I agree w/ you. I flew American ONE stinkin' time and it was horrible. They'll never get my service again.

Steve


User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

I suspect that the maintenance base closure announcement will be the big announcement.

AFW will be chosen is my guess...

Least likely will be TUL.



User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

Uh oh! Another impossible to please passenger. CWAPilot, if you feel like you're always getting bad service perhaps you're expecting too much for your $61 tickets into and out of ORD. Besides, we have a few psycho "sky nazi's" working for us, but most AA F/A's are really nice. Maybe you're the one who's too "bitchy".

After being a Platinum Mileage member, I refuse to fly AA anymore, PERIOD. I've worked in this industry for over 25 years and, it has been my displeasure to fly AA (paid for - FULL FARE, Kevi - by my company) many times and I have NEVER received even fair service on them! With very few exceptions (and that from a notable few of the counter and gate staff at ORD) I was met with complete indifference and made to feel like I was imposing on AA employees for showing up at the gate. Eye contact from all (but those notable few mentioned above) was non-existant, even when I went so far as to attempt to forceably make eye contact with those parties.

"A few psycho 'sky nazis', Kevi? If you provide the quality service you claim to be, you are DEFINITELY in the minority at AA - as most everyone I have ever had the displeasure to encounter at AA has been rude, snotty and arrogant!

As for the upcoming announcement, one can only hope that it is something along the lines of AA finally realizes the stupidity of its ways and decides to close its doors and transfer all employees who are worth anything (giving Kevi the benefit of the doubt - all three of them) to United! Anything less is a waste of breath and newsprint.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5933 times:

one can only hope that it is something along the lines of AA finally realizes the stupidity of its ways and decides to close its doors and transfer all employees who are worth anything (giving Kevi the benefit of the doubt - all three of them) to United!


And there's someone just like YOU who bickers about United, Northwest, Spirit, Southwest and the list goes on forever.

But we are always back to square one on this site: "Never fly this airline" post, "The worst airline" post, "The best airline" post. Blah, Blah, Blah.

I've flown so many carriers and why do I care how I am treated? I just want to get to point A to B. I've flown NW, DL, UA, and even my own, and do I possibly care how these people treat me? Sure, it would be nice to get a smile or two.

People get so emotional.


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5885 times:

I've flown so many carriers and why do I care how I am treated? I just want to get to point A to B. I've flown NW, DL, UA, and even my own, and do I possibly care how these people treat me? Sure, it would be nice to get a smile or two.

This is skewing off the post topic however, you should expect that in an industry that bills itself as a service industry, provides you with decent service. I'm not talking champagne and caivar here, just basic customer service - eye contact, a smile and to be treated with the respect a paying customer deserves. That isn't too much to ask for and shouldn't be too much to ask for! No passenger should have to demand to be treated properly, with respect, nor should any passenger have to expect to not be treated that way.

As for my previous statement, that was overly harsh and I truly do not wish the worst for the people of AA, but Kevi's assertation that "the passenger must be the problem because most of the people of AA aren't like that" is dead wrong (from what I've seen over the years of flying them - none of those trips were non-rev either and none on a cheap reduced fare).

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool


[Edited 2003-08-13 05:34:12]


DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5874 times:

Whoa!! What is going on over there in Chicago?!?! I am always amazed by how much some people hate AA. Everytime I go to work 99% of our PAX love us. There's a very vocal minority who just can't be pleased, but most people are really nice and come off the plane thanking us for a good flight. And the overwhelming majority of my coworkers are very nice and attentive to PAX. I mean there's always a few bad apples in every bunch, but most of us get along great with PAX. You guys must be really demanding, or the most unlucky people on Earth.


"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert
25 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Kevi, I assure you that I am, by far, one of the least demanding passengers on any given aircraft I'm on. I've been a F/A before so I go out of my way
26 Highliner2 : I've flown AA 3 times this summer. KMCI, KMSP, and KSTL outta KORD. And I had a good experience each time. The only bad flying experience I had with F
27 B777FA : Kevi747, I heard about the Announcement from a number of F/as that live in the area.Also as a said earlier my roommate asked his captain and he said t
28 Post contains images MxCtrlr : As much as I hate to burst your bubble, and your attempt to classify me as a "chronic bitcher" or "anti-AA", as I stated in my first post, I was (pres
29 Kevi747 : MxCtrlr, sorry you've had such bad experiences. You really must have gotten some bitter F/A's! Give us another chance, I promise most of us are real n
30 Chi-town : Kevi, then consider me one of the most unluckies passengers on the face of the earth. I am not a demanding passenger. The service was just downright
31 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Kevi, I really do hope, for the future of AA, that what you say is correct and I have just been quite unlucky with AA in the past. Unfortunately, the
32 N951U : In over 100 segments on AA so far this year, both revenue and non-revenue, I've had very few bad experiences. The only time I've found ground personne
33 Post contains images AA717driver : I hate to step into a catfight, but here goes... Face it, AA didn't get the "Sky Nazi" appellation by random choice. Having seen it from the outside A
34 Cwapilot : Nothing really going on over at ORD, except for the former TWA employees putting the rest of you to shame at STL...too bad they will be leaving. Funny
35 Post contains images B777FA : AA717Driver, You and me both know if I come out there to STL Ill be coming right back to JFK the next month!!!!!!! Someone with manning in DFW cant do
36 Post contains images FSPilot747 : More room throughout coach? FSP
37 Kevi747 : This is so wierd! Who the hell are your F/A's? Maybe its an ORD thing that I just don't know about. AA gate agents and F/A's are the best! I totally t
38 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Kevi, I'm not going to go into specifics because this thread has totally skewed from its original topic. Suffice it to say I have had rude treatment b
39 AA777MIA : MXCtrlr: So you have not been happy with AA service, there are many out there who have had positive experiences. While I am sorry you are not happy an
40 Adh214 : I am Gold on AA and have generally had good service. Let's face it. I don't really have a chance to interact with AA emloyees much. I check in at the
41 WorldTraveler : Can we return to the topic long enough to pick up on the comment from B777FA that this involves Eagle? Is it possible that AMR will spin off Eagle as
42 Cwapilot : Ummm....Kevi, this is a perfect illustration of the contempt in which a good share of your "brothers and sisters" hold customers and potential custome
43 Post contains images Adam T. : I've always had good service with AA! Guess i'm just lucky ? Adam
44 AA777MIA : CWPilot: I know when pax fly JetBlue and SWA they do not expect a meal, my point was, how come in the same market, with same fare, people expect more
45 AIR757200 : WorldTraveler, I was thinking the same thing. I don't think Eagle will be spun-off because I think we would of heard "leaks" coming from folks at AMR/
46 Cwapilot : And my point is that, in those markets, at the same fare, full service carriers PROMISE more...that is why people expect more. You can't advertise you
47 AA777MIA : I don't think that AE will be spun off.. I know that AE in SJU and MIA was up for sale, but not sure if that sale was ever completed. There was a lot
48 AA777MIA : CWA Pilot: How dare you judge my inflight service abilities! You have never been a passenger on my flight, and have no right to even comment on it. Fo
49 DoorsToManual : Anyway, so it appears that this announcement isn't really of major concern to AA's customers, but rather some airline staff and enthusiasts, right? BT
50 Cwapilot : AA777MIA: Excuse me, but when did I question your inflight service abilities? Given the (previously) courteous and diplomatic tone of your other repli
51 AA777MIA : It is a shame you and your coworkers can't be evaluated based on your level of service and attitude, rather than how long you've been around, because
52 Cwapilot : No, it meant that, given the record you have mentioned, you'd benefit from the departure of some others who end up bringing down the whole ship, so to
53 AIR757200 : AA777MIA... I think AMR put the sale of Executive on hold or even pulled back.
54 AA777MIA : I agree, there are some co-workers out there that I would like to see gone, and some that I wish had stayed (ie: the quit, or got furloughed). I think
55 AA777MIA : Thanks, was not sure what ever happened with Exec in MIA/SJU. I know when I heard about it, the employees there were NOT happy at all. I had heard it
56 Mac100 : I am Platinum on AA, too and I have always found AA personnel (ground and in the air) courteous and helpful. At least as good as UA, DL, US or DL that
57 Post contains images Tommy767 : I have flown AA quite a bit, and I know that they are the best airline in the world. GO AA
58 N951U : Actually, Executive was being prepped for sale and then the buyer backed out. It's still on the market, there's just not anybody wanting to buy the ai
59 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : I guess it all depends on your individual experiences. I have never had an enjoyable experience with Southwest Airlines. I've found their employees ru
60 Ssides : If the general consensus is that the announcement will be the closure of one of its maintenance bases, I hope they don't close TUL, for that city's sa
61 Towerair : ARE THEY GOING UNDER???????????>>>>>MAYBE ITS A GOOD THING.THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY PLANES OUT THERE AND VERY FEW PAXS FLYING THEM>>>>>>>>JUST MY PE
62 AA777MIA : ARE THEY GOING UNDER???????????>>>>>MAYBE ITS A GOOD THING.THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY PLANES OUT THERE AND VERY FEW PAXS FLYING THEM>>>>>>>>JUST MY PER
63 AIR757200 : Going Under? Ok, when I post a message, I review what's already been discussed so I don't continue to bring up points already covered. Obviously someo
64 N951U : That's funny, that can't be the same Southwest Airlines I've flown. That Southwest has very professional, courteous, and fun employees, and very clea
65 DCA-ROCguy : I don't think Southwest is a horrible airline, and I won't put down the entire airline, but for me they are certainly nothing special and from past ex
66 N951U : I too am surprised at my WN experiences, but added with the hassle factor of Southwest, I just find myself on other carriers. I'd rather give all of m
67 Post contains images Kevi747 : "Towerair: Have you been on a plane lately? Every single flight that I have worked over the past 6months has been full. There MAY have been 1-5 empty
68 AA717driver : Kevi--Not ALL the agents at ALL the outstations suck. I have had some bad experiences with some and it tends to be at the outstations rather than the
69 Jcs17 : I think most FAs on all airlines really try their best (it really is a hard job for shitty pay), and are generally pretty good at what they do. AA is
70 Post contains images Thunder9 : >> Not ALL the agents at ALL the outstations suck. I have had some bad experiences with some and >> it tends to be at the outstations rather than the
71 Tbear815 : Everyone is talking about the same thing. Customer service. If you look at the whole picture, the front line employees (F/A's, CSA's, etc.) are taking
72 N951U : Cancel the Aadvantage/Mileage Plus/Sky Miles, get back to a non-competitive, yet cooperative industy, and maybe, just maybe we could see some profit
73 Tbear815 : I certainly appreciate your mileage status, but that's really not objective, is it? You're not looking at the airline and what makes it up. Mileage is
74 AA717driver : Thunder--I agree with you. Thanks for pointing that out. Some of the outstations I've had trouble with are AA stations, though. Most notably is IND. S
75 N951U : On the contrary, how many times is it the inexperienced flier who causes the problems? Most of the time. I'm sorry, but I don't understand your dislik
76 Tbear815 : I'm terribly sorry if I implied I disliked FF. I am one, as well. Yes, certainly there are a lot of air miles behind freebies and upgrades. But who pa
77 N951U : I beg to differ. An upgrade is a gift if it is complimentary. However, it is a privilege (but not necessarily a right) if the customer earned it withi
78 StevenUhl777 : I've been on pins and needles all week....any word? I did read something about AA removing heavy ovens from their planes....PLEASE tell me that wasn't
79 Post contains images Andersjt : StevenUhl777 It either is about the ovens, or they are too busy today handling all the system problems caused by the blackout in NYC. They may have de
80 Post contains images Greg : "...my superb leadership skills..." Kev.. If your THAT good...you should not be working as a sky hostess! To the others: Barring the arrogant attitude
81 Post contains images Kevi747 : What took you so long, Greg? I knew I could count on you to add something enlightening to this conversation. OK, I know that most of these straight gu
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