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Belgian Airline To The U.S.?  
User currently offlineAlitaliaORD From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 242 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Since Sabena went out of business, as did VG Airlines, Has there yet to be another Belgian Flag Carrier to operate from Begium to the United States? Any talk by S.N. Brussels to ever begin service to the U.S.? if so where?
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User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

A few topics down I called for SN Brussels Airlines to restore direct service to the US, but it seems unlikely for the next few years. We can hope, however...

If SN does introduce service to the US, and their fares are competitive, I will definitely fly them. I have heard consistently good reports about their service. One thing they will need for US service are sleeper beds in first or business. Right now the only US airline with this to my knowledge is United, and consequently the European airlines frequently enjoy an advantage over their US counterparts in terms of the quality of 1st class accomodations. SN, to be competitive, should probably provide this service.

One possibility that interests me would be the possibility of such a Belgian Trans-Atlantic service being the product of joint US/Belgian cooperation. Perhaps an American firm could supply the aircraft and some of the financing, and SN would operate the aircraft, perhaps under a brand name like Sabena Atlantic or SN Brussels-America. In any event, codesharing with one of the US majors would be neccessary, perhaps for one of them that does not have service to BRU but desires access to that market. As far as the aircraft type is concerned, if SN were to undertake this kind of operation themselves, it would probably be an A340/A330, however, with partial American backing, there is a chance it could be a B767.

-WGW


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

If AA and SNBrussels expand on thier codeshare relationship, I can definitley see AA adding MIA-BRU or JFK-BUR in the future. Though I think SNBrussels has made it clear they have no intentions of coming to America.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

SN Brussels will probably not start its own service to the US, more than likely use a codeshare partner to do it. SABENA's retreat from US service started out as switching some flights to Swissair, like when they dropped ATL, and codeshared on Swissair's Atlanta-Zurich route until Swissair pulled out of ATL.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

SN Brussels has stated that they intend to stay out of the competitive transatlantic market and instead will concentrate on their european services (which recently expanded with the addition of 3 A319 aircraft) and are also adding a couple of African destinations. SN Brussels seems to be doing a good job of buidling on Sabena excellent reputation in Africa - and the yeilds on those flights are much more interesting than on transatlantic services.

SN Brussels has also stated that they wanted to enter the US market via a code-share with a US carrier. The rumor was AA or CO, provided that the selected carrier would add additional service into BRU, say add another flight per day from another hub but this never happened.......AA operates one flight per day into BRU from ORD with a 763 and CO operateds one flight per day into BRU from EWR with a 762 (764 effective September 5th, I believe.) I am surprised that AA did not reinstate service between JFK and BRU when SN closed down, but AA has other priorities I guess (like not going bankrupt) at the moment....I am not trying to be nasty, these are difficult times.

As for another start-up carrier opening transatlantic routes out of BRU, it is unlikely......both Citybird and VG failed, for a variety of reasons, and I dont think another party will try again. Also, I do not think a US firm would finance a transatlantic airline based in Belgium (above it states that if a US firm supplied financing, Airbus airliners would not be used.....why? Hundreds of Airbus planes are owned and operated by US carriers like US, UA, NW, HP, etc)...there is simply too much competition accross that atlantic at the moment.

If one of the low-fare carriers were to venture accross the atlantic, pick one, it does not matter, BRU would be an ideal destination......in the heart of europe and access to train and low-cost airline service to other destinations.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

SN Brussels has also stated that they wanted to enter the US market via a code-share with a US carrier. The rumor was AA or CO, provided that the selected carrier would add additional service into BRU, say add another flight per day from another hub but this never happened.......

It never happened, but SNBrussels codeshares with AA on thier daily ORD-BRU service, in addition AA has thier code on most of SNBrussel's extensive African network and SNBrussels has thier code on about 20 AA flights from ORD.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Yes, I realize that SN has its code on the AA flight, and also many SN passengers from Africa connect to the CO flight, but my point was that neither AA or CO added additional flights into BRU from the US.....SN had stated (hoped, asked) that AA or CO add flights from other hubs or cities (AA-JFK, MIA, DFW) or CO (IAH).

User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

I know City bird used to fly MD11 aircraft to North America and Mexico, but I think that this company is no longer in service.

User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

In the long run, there is a possibility that if SN does become a great success, they will enter the Trans-Atlantic market. Right now, however, their management is somewhat timid, it seems, as they do not want to risk a repeat of what happened to Sabena. However, if they continue to remain profitable, we might see an SN jet operating a very limited service to the US before the end of the decade.

Dutchjet wrote some very interesting comments:

If one of the low-fare carriers were to venture across the Atlantic, pick one, it does not matter, BRU would be an ideal destination......In the heart of Europe and access to train and low-cost airline service to other destinations.

Indeed. This is why I am hoping for the possibility of some kind of joint US/Belgian service to BRU. Imagine if jetBlue for instance, was to partner with SN, helping to finance the later airline to operate a Trans-Atlantic service to connect with jetBlue at JFK. That route could be one of the most profitable in existence in terms of the connecting US-Europe-Africa PAX volume (although the chance of such a blissful development occurring I concede are miniscule).

(above it states that if a US firm supplied financing, Airbus airliners would not be used.....Why? Hundreds of Airbus planes are owned and operated by US carriers like US, UA, NW, HP, etc

That's correct, however, at present there is a surplus of B767s from what I understand and there is a possibility that aircraft of this type could be acquired used from the desert at an extremely low cost, thus enabling the new operation to get underway with less start-up capital expenditure. Using a cheap but still modern and economically viable airliner is, in my opinion, a great way to save during the early years of an operation and reduce financial risk by leaving more capital on hand to cover potential losses early-on.

However, over time, I imagine Airbus aircraft would replace any B767s used at start up, for commonality with the rest of the fleet. If a partnership with an Airbus user like jetBlue occurred, the chances of the US of the B767 at startup would be non-existent. Perhaps also a refurbished A300 or A310 could be acquired with equally minimal financial risk. Just my thoughts on the matter.

In any event, I hope this service is someday put into place.

-WGW


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Hey guys,

I can confirm that SN Brussels Airlines concentrates on connecting Europe and Africa with Brussels.

Firstly, the transatlantic market is still suffering from overcapapcity, so it makes no sense that we enter that market with a full risk own operation. Bear in mind that already Continental, American, United, Delta and Biman Bangladesh are connecting Belgium with the US. Therefore we codeshare with AA. This is a succesful cooperation and risk is limited.

Secondly, the domestic Belgian market is too small ... Without a codesharepartner you need a lot of feeder / connecting traffic and that's what we clearly don't want to create.

Pressclub



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