Voodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2009 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7002 times:
Just wondering if a list of 5th freedom flights might make an interesting, if
not potentially useful, thread. I am still kicking myself for not having tried
to book Air Namibia London - Heathrow to Frankfurt - Main 744 a few years back when it suited me
to a T, because I did not know it existed. It might be useful to some of us
one day if we could keep some flights in mind.
Perhaps I can start:
London - Heathrow to Copenhagen - Kastrup 777
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7257 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6885 times:
WNfan, put simply it means an airline from country X is able to pick up passengers (and freight?) from country Y to country Z (and I'm sure that airline has to be routing from country X to country Z and not Y-X-Z). Sorry for making it sound like an algebraic expression!
I didn't list SQ MAN-BRU as they're not currently operating 747s to MAN.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7257 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6845 times:
I'm not sure whether we can count European airlines flying between two different countries to the country they are based in as 5th Freedom flyers as Europe may be construed as a single aviation market.
Wunderk From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6703 times:
I find in East Asia, there are many airlines operating fifth freedom segments, for example the following routes from HKG:
That's just a partial list...in fact, there are constantly a dozen airlines flying HKG-BKK alone. There were many others still operational until very recently, some of them stopped because of SARS (like SQ's HKG-LAS route). Remember these ones?
CI HKG-MNL (for a short while before the Philippines tore up its air agreement with Taiwan)
CA HKG-LHR (for a very brief period)
UA HKG-SIN (resumed?)
LX HKG-MNL (still valid?)
SR HKG-SEL (when they had the 747-300s)
SQ HKG-SFO (resumed?)
LH HKG-OSA (before it became ITM and replaced by KIX for international flights)
CX itself has 5th freedom on many flights between Taiwan and Japan:
In 1992, when South Korea broke ties with Taiwan and both countries cancelled their air agreement, CI, BR, OZ and KE all had to stop flying between the two neighbours. Those carriers with 5th freedom all of a sudden became the only ones serving TPE-SEL. (CX, SQ, TG, and CO were the prominent ones). Only very recently did Taiwan and South Korea resumed their own flights, but only at a charter level.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6639 times:
The current Air India 5th freedoms in use are :
London LHR to New York JFK vv
London LHR to Chicago ORD vv
Paris CDG to Newark EWR vv
Singapore SIN to Jakarta CGK vv
Singapore SIN to Kuala Lumpur KUL vv
Bangkok BKK to Tokyo NRT vv
Hong Kong HKG to Osaka KIX vv
Doha DOH to Bahrain BAH vv
Abu Dhabi AUH to Muscat MCT vv
25 Godbless: FRA-MAD on LA FRA-LHR on SW (not served at the moment but will be replaced by FRA-LGW) FRA-JFK on SQ FRA-SFO or LAX on AI (to be installed) SIN-CGK on
26 Planemannyc: SIN-HKG on CI PEK-NRT on PK PEK-NRT on UA NRT-HKG on UA NRT-TPE on UA NRT-SIN on UA NRT-BKK on UA BKK-NRT on BG NRT-BKK on NW NRT-HKG on NW NRT-MNL on
27 Boeing757/767: Boy, I goofed again with SQ. I meant JFK-FRA. Duh!
28 Vimanav: Some of the other 5th freedom rights from India are: BG - BOM DXB vv KB - CCU BKK vv / DEL KTM vv CX - BOM DXB vv/ BOM BKKvv ET - BOM BKK vv BI - CCU
29 B747-437B: Does AI not enjoy traffic rights between Nairobi and Dar-es-salam on those services? Nope. The loads to DAR are piss poor anyway. They run the NBO-DAR