Vimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1534 posts, RR: 14 Posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7703 times:
Not too sure there's been a thread on this one, but I found BA's rear facing premium class seats quite unique (one facing forward and the other rearwards). I also heard that BA's Tridents too had a cabin arrangement where some seats were facing backwards in Y/cl. Lesser spinal injuries in case of an accident - this seemed to be the logic (I am not too sure how!). Appreciate comments on such a seating arrangement and which other airlines / aircraft may have had something similar.
Sarfaroshi kii tamannaa ab hamaare dil mein hai, Dekhnaa hai zor kitnaa baazu-e-qaatil mein hai
FLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7477 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7613 times:
The "Sud-Aviation" Caravelle had 5 seats (3 + 2 ) facing rear on the first row.
This type of plane flew from 1955 until 1992 (for the lasts variants ) with many Airlines around the world, including the U.S with United. It was the first medium range jetliner ever built and can be considered as the ancester of the DC9, as it was also the very first rear-mounted engines aircraft.
Air Inter, the French domestic Airline (now merged in AF ) was the last big European Airline to operate the last 12 "Caravelle Super XII" until 1992.
People used to love these facing back seats ( on the right side of the plane, you were 3 facing 3, like in a train...very friendly ), some others HATED them and made big drama to seat there, when the plane was full...
Skyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7589 times:
Years ago National(original) had a configuration on their 727-200 series that had two rear facing seats by the rear right side emergency door. Sometimes a family liked to sit there, but most often people did not care for those seats. Because of this, National if deference to their pax, turned those seats around to front facing seats. Of course then, because of the door exit, those seats were fixed in the upright position, so then the people b****ed about that. Just can't make some people happy.
Suspen From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 156 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7433 times:
The upper deck of the C-5A holds a passenger compartment with 70-something seats and in the ones I've been in, all or nearly all of them face backwards. The reason given was the same as yours: fewer injuries in the event of a crash.
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Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 7052 times:
Some years ago, the NTSB and FAA studed the possibility of requiring all commercial airlines to install ALL rear-facing on their fleets. The reasoning, of course, being that passenger were less likely to suffer impact injuries in survivable accidents if they were facing aft and g forces carried them forward.
However, subsequent mock-ups and test evacs, showed passenger confusion when attempting to locate exits, and in fact revealed a tendency to attempt to evacuate in the direction in which they were facing, even if there were no exits at the rear of the aircraft. It was because of these evac studies that the drive for all-rear facing passenger seats was dropped.
DeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6949 times:
They were looking at making the WHOLE cabin rear-facing? I don't think that would go over too well with passengers...I, for one, have trouble riding in a car backwards. I'm with Positive Rate- I'm glad they didn't do it. A friend of mine flew in WN's backwards facing seats & said the takeoff was "wild". I wouldn't want to try it.
Capt078 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6849 times:
yes, souithwest still has the "lounge" with rearward facing seats, although they are being phased out. i learned this from a southwest employee on this site (i think WNfan but do not recall and am too lazy to look). i quite enjoy the seats, but i believe i am among the minority in that matter. i do recall hearing that airlines did a study and found passengers were more prone to motion sickness in the rearward facing seats.
J_hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6734 times:
I recall being on USAir (737?) some years ago when they had bulkhead row backwards with a table that had fold-up leaves on it...was spozed to be great for business travelers who wanted to have a meeting on a conference table...but I had to see a baby get changed on it BEFORE they served the snack! YUK! It also made it harder to ignore people who are facing you...twice as bad as just next to you! I was VERY happy to see it vanish!!
Lt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6731 times:
Nearly all USAF aircraft have rear facing seats for regular pax , (there are excptions of course)
I am not talking about side net cargo seats BTW. (and yes Suspen the upper deck of the C-5 has around 75 seats as noted above facing backward)
In the E-3 (707-320) we have rear facing seats in the back (airline style-ish) 8 seats in galley, and 4 we can put in the J compartment (or take out) and 4 in the overwing. All face backwards. The same reasons as noted above are given for this= Safer in an accident.
Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
the Capt formerly Lt-AWACS, Yankee Air Pirate
FLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7477 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6682 times:
Dear Edina... I'm flying for Air France, bust like many of us, I was a great "user" of Air Inter...and I am so sad this Airline disappeared. AF had to learn a lot from AirInter (IT)...In fact, I am very amused now when I see how Low-cost became kind of "fashionnable"... Air Inter was finally the very first low-cost in Europe, and kind of invented the concept in the 70's (remember the Blue/White/Red flights.?)...but at that time, everybody was complaining when you had to pay for a drink...
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3287 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6570 times:
BWIA/Tobago Express Dash 8 Q300s have 2 rear-facing seats at the front (row 1). I once flew on one of those seats from POS to TAB - just 15 minutes long but a very unusual experience, especially on take-off.
Personally I prefer forward-facing seats even on trains and buses but the rear-facing plane seat was a unique experience.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4481 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6476 times:
FLYSSC> So but how low cost was Air Inter actually? As teenager on my first trip to Paris in 1989 I browsed their pricing list as I wanted to fly Caravelle and Mercure but typical pricings starting around 800 FF (120 euro) one way was a little expensive for me then. Little did I know I never had a chance again to fly these types. Actually a standard pricing system for domestic flights doesn't seem too unusual for me.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
: Well, it was the same rules as the Low-cost today : the earliest you book, the cheapest you pay. Don't even think travelling during business schedule
: MEA-707...800ff was generally a full fare one way unrestricted fare.....off peak, on a "blue" or "white" flight the fare would be much lower (800ff wa
: FLYSSC.....yes I was with IT as cabin crew from 88-93 on the A300.
: Edina, Air Inter was operating the whole fleet of 12 SE-210/Caravelle XII produced by, then, Sud-Aviation. They bought 7 new a/c, then the last remain
: Allegheny's DC-9-31 VistaJets had the first row facing backwards. United's DC-8-10,20,50's had a rear lounge in coach across from the galley that had
: US Airways' Dash 8-300s have the two seats in Row 1 facing backwards. Noticed this while researching CLT-RDU flights. I wouldn't want to be in those s
: "The last aircraft I flew on with rear facing seats was an OK TU-134A that had a similar arrangement with a row facing aft and a table in between the
: TU-114 had, in addition to the more or less usual cabins, several compartments for 6 (if I am not mistaken) persons, facing each other, with a table b
: I've flown backwards twice. Once on a Dan Air Bac 1-11 on the e/exit row and once on a BA 777 in Club World. The Dan Air flight would have been ok for
: BEA Super Trident ORY/LHR 1st row port side aft facing. First and only time flying backwards as a passenger. However, I'm sure many crew members (at o
: or at least they did. used to have 2 or 3 rows of backward facing seats. classic high density seating.l
: I've always managed to avoid the backward-facing Club World seats on BA - I had to sit in one once for takeoff, and it feels strange. I normally don't