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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Posted (11 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

Not too sure there's been a thread on this one, but I found BA's rear facing premium class seats quite unique (one facing forward and the other rearwards). I also heard that BA's Tridents too had a cabin arrangement where some seats were facing backwards in Y/cl. Lesser spinal injuries in case of an accident - this seemed to be the logic (I am not too sure how!). Appreciate comments on such a seating arrangement and which other airlines / aircraft may have had something similar.


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User currently offlineMjzair From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

On Southwest Airlines 737-300's, the row of seats immediately in front of the emergency exit rows face backwards.

User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6606 times:

The "Sud-Aviation" Caravelle had 5 seats (3 + 2 ) facing rear on the first row.
This type of plane flew from 1955 until 1992 (for the lasts variants ) with many Airlines around the world, including the U.S with United. It was the first medium range jetliner ever built and can be considered as the ancester of the DC9, as it was also the very first rear-mounted engines aircraft.

Air Inter, the French domestic Airline (now merged in AF ) was the last big European Airline to operate the last 12 "Caravelle Super XII" until 1992.

People used to love these facing back seats ( on the right side of the plane, you were 3 facing 3, like in a train...very friendly ), some others HATED them and made big drama to seat there, when the plane was full...


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The three rear facing seats were on the left of the picture, the two others were on the right of the picture, and were separated from the two facing seats by the main entrance door.


User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Years ago National(original) had a configuration on their 727-200 series that had two rear facing seats by the rear right side emergency door. Sometimes a family liked to sit there, but most often people did not care for those seats. Because of this, National if deference to their pax, turned those seats around to front facing seats. Of course then, because of the door exit, those seats were fixed in the upright position, so then the people b****ed about that. Just can't make some people happy.

User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3164 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6554 times:

USAir/ Allegheny had rear seats on the front row of the BAC 1-11's.


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User currently offlineSuspen From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 156 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6426 times:

The upper deck of the C-5A holds a passenger compartment with 70-something seats and in the ones I've been in, all or nearly all of them face backwards. The reason given was the same as yours: fewer injuries in the event of a crash.


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User currently offlineManairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

Dan-Air 1-11s that were used solely on charter flights had a row of rear facing seats by the overwing emergency exits.

User currently offlineACEregular From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6283 times:

Yes I think I saw a British World BAC1-11 that also had rear facing seats at the over wing exit area.

User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6265 times:

FLYSSC did you fly for Air Inter??? If so, nice to see an ex-colleague on Airliners.net!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6252 times:

PS The BA Citiexpress DHC8-300s that operate LGW-NQY-PLH also have 2 rear facing seats on the right hand side at row 1.

Also the Royal Air Force passenger transports up to & including the VC10 were all fitted with rear facing seats.



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User currently offlineACEregular From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6206 times:

Edina, again you just helped me to remember when I flew NCL-LGW-NCL a few years ago when CityFlyer used ATR42's. Seats 1C and 1D where rear facing too.

User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6143 times:

Hi,

EuroLOT in their ATRs-42 have two seats facing backwards.
See

http://www.eurolot.com.pl/eng/start.htm

under fleet

Not the best seat map drawing  Sad

Regards
JArek


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6045 times:

Some years ago, the NTSB and FAA studed the possibility of requiring all commercial airlines to install ALL rear-facing on their fleets. The reasoning, of course, being that passenger were less likely to suffer impact injuries in survivable accidents if they were facing aft and g forces carried them forward.

However, subsequent mock-ups and test evacs, showed passenger confusion when attempting to locate exits, and in fact revealed a tendency to attempt to evacuate in the direction in which they were facing, even if there were no exits at the rear of the aircraft. It was because of these evac studies that the drive for all-rear facing passenger seats was dropped.

Travis


User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

That would feel pretty weird on takeoff. You'd be accelerating backwards and at takeoff you'd be leaning forwards towards the floor. I'm glad they didn't make all planes have it.

User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

They were looking at making the WHOLE cabin rear-facing? I don't think that would go over too well with passengers...I, for one, have trouble riding in a car backwards. I'm with Positive Rate- I'm glad they didn't do it. A friend of mine flew in WN's backwards facing seats & said the takeoff was "wild". I wouldn't want to try it.

DeltaRules



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User currently offlineCapt078 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5842 times:

yes, souithwest still has the "lounge" with rearward facing seats, although they are being phased out. i learned this from a southwest employee on this site (i think WNfan but do not recall and am too lazy to look). i quite enjoy the seats, but i believe i am among the minority in that matter. i do recall hearing that airlines did a study and found passengers were more prone to motion sickness in the rearward facing seats.

User currently offlineWoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1031 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

The seats on a Navy C-2 Greyhound COD aircraft face backwards. So when you get catapulted off the flight deck, the restraint harnesses hold you in the seat as you get pressed into the harness.

The going joke played on newbies is "Close your eyes during the shot, otherwise your eyeballs will pop out..."

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User currently offlineJ_hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5727 times:

I recall being on USAir (737?) some years ago when they had bulkhead row backwards with a table that had fold-up leaves on it...was spozed to be great for business travelers who wanted to have a meeting on a conference table...but I had to see a baby get changed on it BEFORE they served the snack! YUK! It also made it harder to ignore people who are facing you...twice as bad as just next to you! I was VERY happy to see it vanish!!


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User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5724 times:

Nearly all USAF aircraft have rear facing seats for regular pax , (there are excptions of course)
I am not talking about side net cargo seats BTW. (and yes Suspen the upper deck of the C-5 has around 75 seats as noted above facing backward)

In the E-3 (707-320) we have rear facing seats in the back (airline style-ish) 8 seats in galley, and 4 we can put in the J compartment (or take out) and 4 in the overwing. All face backwards. The same reasons as noted above are given for this= Safer in an accident.


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the Capt  Big grin formerly Lt-AWACS, Yankee Air Pirate


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5675 times:

Dear Edina... I'm flying for Air France, bust like many of us, I was a great "user" of Air Inter...and I am so sad this Airline disappeared. AF had to learn a lot from AirInter (IT)...In fact, I am very amused now when I see how Low-cost became kind of "fashionnable"... Air Inter was finally the very first low-cost in Europe, and kind of invented the concept in the 70's (remember the Blue/White/Red flights.?)...but at that time, everybody was complaining when you had to pay for a drink...


User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5635 times:

That would feel pretty weird on takeoff. You'd be accelerating backwards and at takeoff you'd be leaning forwards towards the floor

This is exactly what I experienced sitting on the window seat in the upper deck of BA/B744. Upon rotation I could actually feel myself practically hanging on by the seat belt.

I enjoyed it for its uniqueness, but personally I'd prefer facing forwards.

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

Didn't the Vickers VC-10 have ALL seats facing backwards when it entered service?

Peter



User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3237 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

BWIA/Tobago Express Dash 8 Q300s have 2 rear-facing seats at the front (row 1). I once flew on one of those seats from POS to TAB - just 15 minutes long but a very unusual experience, especially on take-off.

Personally I prefer forward-facing seats even on trains and buses but the rear-facing plane seat was a unique experience.

TrintoCan.



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User currently offlineTrident From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

Have flown on Dan Air 1-11s with rearward facing seats and also Branniff Boeing 727s.

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4312 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

FLYSSC> So but how low cost was Air Inter actually? As teenager on my first trip to Paris in 1989 I browsed their pricing list as I wanted to fly Caravelle and Mercure but typical pricings starting around 800 FF (120 euro) one way was a little expensive for me then. Little did I know I never had a chance again to fly these types. Actually a standard pricing system for domestic flights doesn't seem too unusual for me.


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25 FLYSSC : Well, it was the same rules as the Low-cost today : the earliest you book, the cheapest you pay. Don't even think travelling during business schedule
26 Edina : MEA-707...800ff was generally a full fare one way unrestricted fare.....off peak, on a "blue" or "white" flight the fare would be much lower (800ff wa
27 Edina : FLYSSC.....yes I was with IT as cabin crew from 88-93 on the A300.
28 Post contains links and images FLYSSC : Edina, Air Inter was operating the whole fleet of 12 SE-210/Caravelle XII produced by, then, Sud-Aviation. They bought 7 new a/c, then the last remain
29 Milesrich : Allegheny's DC-9-31 VistaJets had the first row facing backwards. United's DC-8-10,20,50's had a rear lounge in coach across from the galley that had
30 DeltAirlines : US Airways' Dash 8-300s have the two seats in Row 1 facing backwards. Noticed this while researching CLT-RDU flights. I wouldn't want to be in those s
31 Post contains links and images RIX : "The last aircraft I flew on with rear facing seats was an OK TU-134A that had a similar arrangement with a row facing aft and a table in between the
32 Dulles : TU-114 had, in addition to the more or less usual cabins, several compartments for 6 (if I am not mistaken) persons, facing each other, with a table b
33 Post contains images Leezyjet : I've flown backwards twice. Once on a Dan Air Bac 1-11 on the e/exit row and once on a BA 777 in Club World. The Dan Air flight would have been ok for
34 Tbear815 : BEA Super Trident ORY/LHR 1st row port side aft facing. First and only time flying backwards as a passenger. However, I'm sure many crew members (at o
35 Jetdeltamsy : or at least they did. used to have 2 or 3 rows of backward facing seats. classic high density seating.l
36 ExFATboy : I've always managed to avoid the backward-facing Club World seats on BA - I had to sit in one once for takeoff, and it feels strange. I normally don't
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