FFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2981 times:
A friend of mine was just "forced" to fly on board one of these (Frontier AB anyway). He said "Never Again!". It was not about a/c, but about LCC's in general - or at least about Frontier. Not very often mentioned fact is the pax profile; low-income families with screaming kids, lots of carry-ons etc. He says that it was his first and last (business) trip on any LCC.
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4472 posts, RR: 21 Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 2890 times:
Not very often mentioned fact is the pax profile; low-income families with screaming kids, lots of carry-ons etc.
That's unfair and a bit harsh--quite irresponsible for you to say.
"Low-income families" don't fly.
They "go Greyhound" or by car, or most often, not at all.
I've seen my share of the cultural elite with bawling babies...that's universal.
I think you're overgeneralizing a bit. Your friend probably flew on a flight more often frequented by families. Some trips (i.e. early morning runs) are primarily business travelers on ANY airline.
My family has flown WN several times out west because they were the cheapest price. We've driven on vacation many times because we just could not justify the cost of flying. And yet (without wanting to sound like I'm gloating because I'm certainly not) we are by no means "poor". Sometimes it's just hard to justify spending $300 each on a plane ticket to a destination that takes us eight hours to reach by car.
N737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 677 posts, RR: 18 Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 2688 times:
Guys, thanks for posting my pictures.
FFlyer, harsh statements man. Uncalled for as well. That is very unfair and unfortunate to say statements like that. I fly Frontier at least 3 times a week. I have never in my life encountered anything you just said nor is it anywhere near being like that. About 95% of the flight I was on was Business pax, and 1 child on the aircraft.
I think you need to re-evaluate your "freind" and "yourself" for making accusations of Low Income families traveling on and LCC. So what if some families can't afford United flights or any of the big majors. What does that make of your freind or yourself? Some high income guys thinking they are better than the average person travelling? Im sorry guys but your outlook on an airline and its pax are way off. You need to re-evaluate what you say about people and think! I dare you and I mean dare you to go up to your so called "low income family" at the airport that is flying and LCC and tell them what you or your friends think of them. I am sure your not going to get a good reply.
For the sake of you and your friends, keep the comments to yourself. Don't make yourself look any worse, please. I have respect for all people Race, Color, Religion, Income Levels. Man, we are all equal and different in our own ways, just learn to live and respect that. Along that, don't judge an Airline by what someone says or does. You have never flown on F9 and I highly doubt you will but for the sake of others and comments, please don't! Frontier is a highly respected airline in this industry and is where it is now for its performance, reliability and its "image"!
I am appalled at the comments that were made and have no respect at this point.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12028 posts, RR: 50 Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 2625 times:
Also if you can get the same flight for any money less than another airline, and everything else is the same, why would you pay more? I would rather be financially responsible as a person and also if the company I worked for was paying, why pay out there money needlessly? What is the expression, "More money than sense!".
And in April I flew on BA with a screaming child from LHR to DTW and by no means is BA a LCC! Maybe the mother never got the memo about how she is required only to fly LCC as they cater to her and her family, and the majors do not want or need her money.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 50 Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
Let me tell you, as a Frontier CSA, we get a nice mix of families' and business people. Personally, I enjoy seeing a nice varied mix of passengers on our flights. I guess I'm just a people person, but I truly enjoy talking to our passengers no matter if they "appear" to be high or low income. Does it really matter? Some of the nicest people I've met aren't fortunate enough to be flying United First Class.
It's not really fair to presume every person flying on an LCC is "low income". Just like you can't automatically assume everyone flying a major airline is "upper/middle class". Honestly, I don't care WHO buys a ticket on our flight. We treat everyone the same regardless. Just because "Bob" makes $70,000/year and "Joe" makes $20,000 doesn't mean Bob is a better person or someone whom we would not want to see fly our airline.
I've always felt that you can't go through life judging people based on the way they look. That way, you can get to learn more about everyone and really have a better outlook on life in general.
OverseasBHX From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 2525 times:
Frontier looks fantastic on A318 and viceversa! I wish them all the best luck in this new venture. I wish I could fly them, I just love the animal-themed tails! As for the dismissive (besides wrong and unnecessary) comment made at some point above, I think everything has been said.
Flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2892 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 2493 times:
The reason that we're seeing more legacy vs. LCC arguments here is simple: the LCCs are kicking some major butt in the industry right now, and the legacy carriers have no idea what to do about it. Rather than eat some crow, people get defensive. It's the same thing all the time.
I could have sworn I saw a F9 318 on approach to PDX yesterday (Sat 16 Aug), about 1:30pm. I was driving along Marine Drive and caught a glimpse, but couldn't see for sure. Anyone know if that's what I saw?