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Former NW Route LAX-SYD  
User currently offlineBAGSMASHER From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2986 times:

Why did Northwest discontinue their service LAX-SYD in the early 90s? I used to work that flight NW73 and it was full every night. The belly was full of cargo too. Any ideas?

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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2968 times:

The primary reason: the flights to SYD (LAX-SYD, OSA-SYD and HNL-SYD) were operated during the worst years of NW’s existence and the company absorbed heavy losses on them... the flights weren’t full – NW was selling tickets for $199OW on LAX-SYD in the final months before the flight was cancelled. Also, they failed to generate any business within the premium cabin – loads were horrific and among the worst in company history.

Another reason: speculation that Australia themselves helped kill the flight... they imposed restrictions on the successful OSA-SYD flight (no more than 50% of pax may originate from Japan) and were very upset with NW ... also, one of the government figures was dating-engaged-married to the head of UA’s Australia operations – this, plus other factors, lead many to think that Australia was showing favoritism toward UA.

NW may be able to succeed status quo on an LAX-SYD flight, but there’s still tons of bitterness within the company and I doubt they'll try again...

[Edited 2003-08-18 05:52:21]

User currently offlineBAGSMASHER From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2934 times:

Hey Industrial Pate, Another thing I heard about that route is that NW leased the route authority for it to NZ. Have you ever heard that? Because shortly after NW dropped LAX-SYD, NZ started it. Also if it is only being leased to NZ, does that mean that NW still OWNS that route authority certificate?

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2910 times:

NW’s retained dormant rights to the route (as well as HNL-SYD) since they dropped it in 1994...if NW had interest in reviving it, they probably would’ve done so by now (with many nervous UA flyers + NZ exiting the route). I think NW’s too bitter to try it again (losses + experience, etc.)

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

At one point, I remember that they did not have enough 747-400s to make the routing competitive (stop in HNL).


B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineBAGSMASHER From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Thats incorrect. NW had plenty of 744s operating by the time the SYD service commenced. The route was purchased from HA and originally NW only had the authority to serve SYD from HNL and it was operated with a 742. Later it was transferred to LAX-SYD nonstop with a 744.

User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Insufficient premium traffic on the route as the nonstop flights weren't daily and you need frequency.

The former head of United in Australia, Ann Keating (recently asked to leave) was the Prime Minister's sister- however, no favoritism was shown as UA wasn't allowed to commence their SYD-NRT flights.




User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

NW only had authority to fly LAX-SYD 3x/week...this may have hurt high fare business traffic against the daily (or more) UA and QF skeds. Also, as mentioned NW faced restrictions on the 4x weekly SYD-OSA route making it unprofitable. NW pulled out of both routes simultaneously in April 1994.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBAGSMASHER From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

NW actually operated SYD-KIX for a while longer after SYD-LAX was discontinued. It was operated only once weekly at the very end.

User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Do you remember the 747-100 sitting on the ground in SYD (inbound from OSA) for 2 days at a time?!? With scheduling like that, NW never really had a chance.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

NWA also briefly during the same time period flew HNL-Brisbane, with a DC-10.


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