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Will This Easyjet 733 Be Written Off?  
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5347 times:

As can be seen there is a lot of damage on engines and also probably on wings, controls, body etc..

To repair/replace all the plating will be an enormous labour intensive, expensive job.

Anyone know what the insurance company will do ?


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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3708 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5084 times:
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Good God - no.

The radome will be replaced and repaired, and the dented panels will either dressed out, repaired or filled.

Boeing only writes off an a/c when a new one would be cheaper to buy than repair the damaged one.


User currently offlineGoing64 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Maybe Fly Air will buy this  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineYakfixer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Doubt it. Except for the dents in the crown above the flight deck and in the fixed leading edges inboard of the engines, all the other damaged bits can be replaced. No big deal to swap out engine inlets and possibly a fan change. All the slats can be changed if dented out of limits, along with the horz stab leading edges. Cant see the vert stab, but its leading edge ia also replacable. As for the nose, change the radome and the windshields.
I wonder what Easyjet has for spares? Being discount carrier, probably not much. Biggest challenge will be procuring the spares on short notice. Also, who can do the work in Geneva? Does Easyjet have someone contracted to maintain their A/C in Geneva? Possibly a ferry flight to a better Mtx location?


User currently offlineStarFlyer From Germany, joined Sep 2002, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4700 times:

GVA is Easyjet's Swiss base so I suspect they will have maintenance of some sort there. As for spares, it should be easy enough to locate them somewhere in Europe and fly them in.
Another question, would Easyjet be insured against stuff like this or do they pay out of their own pocket?



Yours truly - StarFlyer
User currently offlineGoldenTale737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

My question is this:

Does that kind of weather usually "surprise" a flight crew?
With such a short flight, you'd think they would have known about the possibility for severe weather...

Pardon me for being naieve, but I just don't see how pilots can knowingly fly into such dangerous masses of air.


User currently offlineAsimha From Switzerland, joined Sep 2000, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

According to an article in Tribune de Genève, insurance does not pay for this type of damage. Flying around a visible storm may lead you into a less visible one and this may well be what happened. Congratulations to the Captain for making it back ... in one piece.

User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

I wonder what Easyjet has for spares? Being discount carrier, probably not much.

This is one odd comment... cannot speak for EasyJet of course, but any well-run "low cost" carier relies upon high fleet utilization as an essential element of their cost control efforts; that, in turn, demands high dispatch reliability which, in turn, inevitably assures an effective maitenance program...

...by way of example, Southwest maintains their aircraft to what could only be considered to be the highest possible standards. Hence, lower downtime, higher dispatch reliability.

I'd expect that a good "low cost" carrier would likely have a better spares stock than a traditional carrier, simply because the cost and effect of not doing so would be amplified for the low cost carrier.



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User currently offlineStarFlyer From Germany, joined Sep 2002, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

Scutler, while your argument makes sense you must not forget that having a lot of spares inevitably results in lots of capital being tied down. Which is what you really would not want if you are trying to avoid costs.

So for a low cost carrier (or actually any carrier) the question is whether to have lots of spares and therefore less downtime of any aircraft which results in a more effective utilization or whether to keep the most common spares only and if another piece is needed you will need to ground the aircraft in the meantime.
If I had some numbers I could surely figure this out. I am sure different carriers take different approaches to this problem and just because WN is doing it one way that doesnt mean Easyjet is doing it the same way.



Yours truly - StarFlyer
User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

easyJet is likely to have at least one radome in stock. They may keep it in Switzerland or the UK but with a fleet like that it would be madness not to have one, UNLESS they know it can and will be delivered within 24 hours when needed. They probably have a few other essential parts to keep HB-III and the rest of their fleet in the air. Keeping most essential parts in stock costs less then grounding an aircraft, 'cause you can not solve a minor problem.

Peter


User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Just a small question that fits into the topic what plane is replacing HB-III right now. I know a few days ago HB-IIB was sent to england and replaced by a futura 734...

Thanks,
Tim


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

What is the residual value of a 737-300 without engines and the most valuable components removed these days ?

In the US some 737 classics are scrapped for parts now.

In the second picture you can see the aircraft is damaged all over, take a close look at the tail ....

Switserland may not be the cheapest countries to do a mountain of body/skin work, it may take many weeks..

hmm....


User currently onlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2589 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

More [incredable] photo's here:
http://flightlevel.20megsfree.com/

PW100



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1640 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

The damage to the horizontal stab in those photos is amazing!  Wow!
Also, it's unbelievable how hail can cause a 2-foot wide dent in the radome like that! I hope easyJet has a lot of spare parts.
-N243NW Big grin



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

This plane will most likely be repaired, as it is still fairly young. There are plenty of other 737s out there that can donate parts. In fact, US just sent 3 734s to france for scrapping. The last plane scrapped due to weather, that I can recall, was an Air Transat L-1011 a few years back.


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User currently offlineB727-200 From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1051 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3651 times:


It surprises me in this era of technology that an aircraft can fly into this sort of weather. Surely the ground-based weather stations and the aircraft itself would have been getting massive echos off a storm cell with hail that size??

B727-200.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

Many of you seem to forget about the heroic AirTran DC-9 Story. (As I hear it)

It was a dark and stormy night (Hey, I've always wanted to start it like that), and AirTran flight **** was coming in for landing when the pilot entered a huge hailstorm. It cracked all windshields, and caused extensive damage to the aircraft, but he managed to keep his cool, and he brought his crippled airplane for a smooth landing. I believe that pilot has since died in a car accident. http://www.s-t.com/daily/05-98/05-09-98/a01wn008.htm Here is the story

Ok, More Ironic then heroic, but you catch my drift.

[Edited 2003-08-19 03:54:25]

[Edited 2003-08-19 03:58:55]

User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

Also, to address what B727-200 is insinuatiing, it may be worthwhile to note that hail does not really show up on an aircrafts weather radar. Typically, it is designed to indicate precipitation of the "wet" variety, and as we know, hail is anything but liquid. These pilots may very well have though they were steering through a less-intense (as indicated by their instruments) part of the storm, only to be met with a wall of iceballs.

T.J.



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Aren't Airbuses more likely to be written off for damage than are Boeings?


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3671 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3412 times:
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PROSA, that's some major flame bait. I'd won't even give an answer to your question. But I will say nose gear collapses are a cause of a lot of write offs.

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

Is already clear what will happen to this aircraft. Will it be repaired ? or is the insurrance company still negotiating ..


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User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

Hey,
its in Dublin right now it left Geneva on the afternoon Wednesday 27th of August. It was repaired just enough to enable to it fly up to Ireland and should be back in a few days, that is before it gets sent to the easyJet UK fleet when HB-JZA, the first A319 arrives...


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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

confirm, she is now under the expert hands of FLS Aerospace here in DUB
hope I can shoot her when she leaves back from GVA  Smile



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User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Having been in a tin building during a hailstorm, I wonder what the db level was inside this plane during the storm. Must have been a wee bit scary, ya think?

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