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AirTran Annouces San Francisco!  
User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

http://www.airtran.com/aboutus/news/sanfrancisco.jsp


woo hoo!


~Ryan

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User currently offlineWNfan From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

This is big news. Well done, AirTran, and keep it up.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

I knew it was a question about when, not if, but I am definitley taken by surprise. Didn't think when would be so soon. Lowfare carriers in the past two years have taken a strong position in the trans-con market. In fact, the only significantly large trans-con market that the cartel carriers still have a monopoly on is Miami-San Francisco, and jetBlue is likely to change that soon.


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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

OK, and its AirTran, that only serves two western cities. And is one of few airlines constantly adding routes.


So, No its not a joke.


User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Don't airlines add and drop cities regularly?

No


User currently offlineHockey55dude From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 213 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Do you think the next west coast city after san Francisco will be San Diego?

User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

I'd bet PHX or SEA are next...although Ryan Intl people have mentioned SMF, SAN, PHX, SEA, SLC.

User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

But what influence do the Ryan Int'l people have, given the poor service that they've provided so far and FL's soon taking delivery of 737's? Wouldn't it be better business sense to add cities based on operating their own a/c, rather than the current Ryan scenario?

NS



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User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

The only other city that Ryan can do is PHX. That was the part of the agreement with pilots and management. I am surprised about it though. I will probably get hosed for this but I think its partly because of Jetblue going to OAK. I think its good. Keeps Airtran management on there toes.

User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Ya know, just last night I was wondering why they added LAS before SFO?

I have always thought of SFO as a bigger destination than LAS, not that LAS is small or anything. San Fransico is just awesome for tourists and a big business destination with international connections.

HHHmmmmm, when will they add STL?


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

I have to agree about SFO being added as a response to JetBlue's upcoming OAK-ATL daily, much as starting ATL-LAX was a result of JetBlue entering Atlanta. SFO was probably going to be added anyway, but JetBlue just lit a fire under their butts. But the question is does Ryan Int'l have an additional A320 that they can dedicate to this route, or will they lease them from other airlines (like they do during the winter charter season). On a side note, the all white A320 is being used yet again. I saw it last night taxiing over from the Mercury Air Center over to C-20 (I had a shop on B closing for remodel last night, and saw it as we were loading up to leave). I saw this morning that one of the A320s in AirTran colors was sitting over @ Mercury Air Center where the spare bird usually is parked.

User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

I think they may get 2 more A320s dedicated for Airtran.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

The only other city that Ryan can do is PHX. That was the part of the agreement with pilots and management. I am surprised about it though. I will probably get hosed for this but I think its partly because of Jetblue going to OAK. I think its good. Keeps Airtran management on there toes.

That, and AirTran seems to like flying right into the main airports. They serve LGA, BOS, LAX, and DFW. There's no doubt a substantial market for people who want to fly right into SFO, without having to cross the Bay or haul down to SJC. They'll probably be willing to pay AirTran's 10-percent-CASM-difference over Southwest for doing it. JetBlue and Southwest will probably hardly notice any difference, because of the density of the entire Bay Area market.

This move is consistent with AirTran's product--a more business-oriented product: business class, business-center airports in major metro areas. God speed to them. Still waiting for that BWI-DFW "Wright Amendment Beater" route though!

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

There are four other posts about cities being dropped in the last week....so it would appear it does occur regularly...despite what some of you have said.

Also, if they fly to LAX and LAS already...why is SFO 'big' news?

Anyway..good luck to them. The initial post read like it was a joke. Sorry for the confusion.


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

I doubt this is in response to jetBlue. I've been hearing SFO, along with LAS and LAX since January.

I knew we were close to a SFO annoucement more than a week before jetBlue did their OAK annoucement.


User currently offlineMike77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 203 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

This is such good news!! It is really nice to hear about additional services out here to SFO. We sure have quieted down a lot over the past couple of years, with the demise of an airline(National), the reduction of services from some airlines and other airlines ending service to SFO completely(i.e. Alitalia, Southwest). Looks like things are improving for SFO and AirTran sounds like an excellent start! This is getting my day off to a great start.



Michael


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

JetBlue and Southwest will probably hardly notice any difference, because of the density of the entire Bay Area market.

Just to avoid confusion...yes, I know Southwest does not fly to ATL from the Bay Area or anyplace else. AirTran's ATL-SFO route, though, will hook pretty much all of AirTran's East Coast markets into SFO. So they'll be competing against Southwest to the Bay Area through ATL connections to many East Coast WN markets. EG RDU, ORF, BUF, and other places that have WN connections to OAK and SJC through BWI or PHX.

After AirTran gets 73G's up and running, look for BWI-SFO and possibly PHL-SFO and BOS-SFO.

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

This is such good news for AirTran is continues expansion to SFO. This is very good news for adds more second city in California and already began service to LAX, right? Thanks!  Smile

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2076 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

You had to know it was coming, with LAX and LAS, where would be the next logical step? SFO, duh. In my mind SEA and PHX would be next on the drawing board out west, along with a few new midwest destinations hopefully. I dont know about BOS-SFO, that would be risky with all the competition.

User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

I think they may get 2 more A320s dedicated for Airtran.

Why would they paint 2 aircraft when they know that the use for them is just temporary until FL gets their 737s in the near future.


User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

When the 737s come, at least initially Ryan will stay. There contract can be renewed every year until 2005. Remember the 737s are not going to be on the property until June 04. Even then I think there suppose get 2 in June and 2 in July and one a month after that. So Ryan will around for a while.

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

I just got the press release VIA email. Great Job AirTran.

User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

How well will Air Tran do in SFO though? ATA is well entrenched in SFO and have been welcomed to the airport with open arms by the local population.

Just a question to ponder



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Word floating around is that we'll have an additional three A320s coming in to cover new routes.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Hey Ryan,

How much whole things with those Airbus A320 aircraft now? Which one is already are in the services out of ATL-LAS/LAX and now SFO is next. Is that mean for still more orders on B737-700 is coming in by around 2004, correct? I'm glad to hear for AirTran is continues to expansions on the west coast.  Smile

Regards!

Scott W.


25 Wedgetail737 : I think eventually we'll see Air Tran hitting the secondary airports in LA and SF areas in the not-to-distant future. If Air Tran does fly into OAK in
26 Doug_or : I don't know how intense the competition would be unless they start dumping capacity in. At this point they still represent a very small amount of the
27 Flyer732 : Doug_or, there is no way we can "dump capacity" in. We're not known for doing that anywhere. But right now we have 3 aircraft for transcon, and this n
28 Modesto2 : I know DL is adding 2 more OAK-ATL flights and an additional SFO-ATL flight in response to B6's new OAK-ATL service. Can we expect additional DL fligh
29 Doug_or : I'm not saying anyone will or could dump any capacity in. that was sort of my point. Theres plenty of pax in the bay area to go around. While the new
30 Alpha 1 : Greg, you have to understand, some people get very excited when the discount carriers expand. When WN came to CLE, it was headline news, even thought
31 Tbear815 : Here is a point to think about. SFO has just opened its BART extention. It is now easily available to a much bigger geographic base. If the connection
32 Flyer732 : I'm not going overboard over expansion, I work for the company, and I have for two years. So these are big steps.
33 LGB Photos : Delta is not doing great and by Airtran adding SFO and probably other cities, this is going to bring the price down in markets now where Airtran will
34 TZSFO : Just to give you an idea... Lowest roundtrip (albeit very restricted) on the 11th of Nov - $238.00 Carriers posting this price - UA,US,DL,AA,CO, NW, H
35 DeltaSFO : Delta is not doing great and by Airtran adding SFO and probably other cities, this is going to bring the price down in markets now where Airtran will
36 Atcboy73 : Does UAL still fly the ATL-SFO route once a day leaving ATL early in the morning?
37 M717 : DeltaSFO, Yes...we do hope Delta swaps some 767-400s, adds flights, dumps seats, lowers their fares...whatever they feel they need to "protect their m
38 Travatl : Although I hate to see this turn into a DL vs. FL thread, I must state that by Delta's own admission, they've become the reactionary carrier. From the
39 Tbear815 : One thing to think about is the difference in attitude between the two. Delta is an old, established airline. AirTrans is relatively new. In this case
40 DCA-ROCguy : She throws a dart at a picture of Leonard? Now that's a professional statement from the Exec Vice Pres of the world's third largest airline.... Seriou
41 ATA767 : I am sure Air Tran will do very well out of SFO. It will be a complement to ATA's MDW service not competition.
42 Richierich : I'm not necessarily a big AirTran fan (no offense to my colleagues who work there), but the big loser here will be Delta. Yes, they are not going to s
43 BR715-A1-30 : Perhaps throw a Song flight or two to SFO. They will probably pull 3 or 4 mainline flights, and replace them with 5 or 6 song flights. When was the la
44 Srbmod : The walk up fare on Delta ATL-SFO is currently $2339 RT ($2539 for First Class). AirTran has already established that their walk up fare on the route
45 Jbmitt : Delta was profitable last quarter, after the government reimbursement. Its a good start, but I think to keep it up, they will have to re-negotiate wit
46 Tommy767 : I thought It was pretty pathetic how AirTran was using Ryan to do their West coast routes. I hope this time it is actually AirTran and not some other
47 Post contains images 727LOVER : Little guys???? I think in about 2 years Airtran WILL be a MAJOR airline! TAKE THAT!
48 IAHERJ : Thank you litle tommy, your imput has been benificial to this discussion. Now, I don't like a DAL vs. FL debate either. I don't think FL even consider
49 Tommy767 : Sorry, I was wrong. AirTran has done a great job so far. They have done something that a few airlines are doing, and you know what its making money. T
50 Post contains images Midway2airtran : 727LOVER, AirTran is expected reach major carrier status by the end of next year if conditions permit, not two Heck if FL continues handling more than
51 GroundStop : "(Although I'd like a PHL/IAD/BOS so JP can quit holding my flights)" As long as there's a flight 325, 61, or 281....there will be a hold on 3 or 9. J
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