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Why Didn't AA Or UA Order 767-400?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5953 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

Remember, this order would have been like 5 or 6 years ago, when airlines were in way better financil times.

Why didn't AA or UA order 764 for domestic DC-10 replacement?
They both had large fleet of 767.


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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

No need. Not enough markets to warrant a new variant to bridge the gap between the 763 and 772.

Plus...it's got rather limited range compared to the above two. Not readily interchangeable in scheduling.



User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1374 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Actually Greg the A300-605R bridges the gap, I think at thattime they were satisfied wi their current fleet and everyone wa sstarting to move to smaller aircraft. Theytrend of more frequencies on smaller aircraft vs 2 or 3 large aircraft a day they would offer 6 or 7 smaller aircraft..


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

UA, as the 777 launch customer... decided to replace its D10 fleet with 772A instead of 764ER (as DL/CO did), to compliment its upcoming 772ER fleet.

AA decided to replace them with 772ER.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5277 times:

AA ordered new B 763s and 772s to replace TWAs order for A 330s.

AA unlike DL and CO at that time didnt have too many DC 10s and Tristars flying the domestic and regional routes. Their AB6s and 767s were there and not too old to service all their routes when the DC 10 was to be retired.

However DL and CO didnt have an aircraft of the size and range that their Tristars and DC 10-30s had therefore the need to order B 764s.

For Delta it was gr8 as they already had B 762s-763s and 752s so no prob.

CO however for its future plans is basing its domestic (high density) and long haul intl routes with medium demand around their newly ordered B 767-200ERs and B 767-400s. Both airlines B 764s are used for Hawaii, Europe and Caribbean routes as well as trans-continental.

UAL didnt need to order B 764s...there was no need.


User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

I am curious, who was the launch customer for the 764?


Bill in ATL
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

The launch customers are Delta were beginning on the B767-400ER back of Aug 2000. I still remember of those both airlines is CO/DL was launch customer on B764 aircraft. Well, talk ya later!

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

I wish ATA or another couple airlines would order the 764. I think it is a nice looking plane, but also nice to fly on. I flew on Delta's 764s between ATL and MCO. The cabin difference between the 762s I flew ATL-DTW that same day as the 764 were like night and day other than the fact they both have 2-3-2 seating

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13254 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5003 times:
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AA ordered new B 763s and 772s to replace TWAs order for A 330s.

I don't believe that is accurate, as TW had shelved their A330 order by the time they filed for bankruptcy and sold most of their assets to AA.

Since AA technically bought assets only (and not TW as a whole), they would not have been liable for any of TW's outstanding orders.

AA order for 763s was to replace some TW 762 equipment that was going back off lease.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Both airlines B 764s are used for Hawaii, Europe and Caribbean routes as well as trans-continental.

DL's 764s are used exclusively for domestic service.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

I am curious, who was the launch customer for the 764?

Delta placed the first order and took first delivery

Continental was the first to offer it in scheduled service


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

764 is a great A/C. However like most airline, the two already had there fair share of 767's and 777's. Maybe in the future when the 767's get old. Not a very high possibility though.


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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

AA order for 763s was to replace some TW 762 equipment that was going back off lease.
AA ordered 9 B763 to replace 9 TW B763.

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AA would use the B764 almost exclusively on transoceanic flights. The range of the aircraft would handicap its flexibility…

UA wanted all of its transatlantic flights to be operated by the B777… they also chose the B777 to be its domestic widebody.

I guess neither airline felt they had a need for it… but it's still a good question as to why.


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Aside from the low cost in developing the 764, I think Boeing had hoped to indeed score the inroads you've mentioned. But the fact is, amongst *all* the US airlines, capacity has broadly gone DOWN, not up. Widebodies operated domestically these days are notable events rather than the norm!

United and American largely over time replaced their domestic DC-10 fleets with 757s. Northwest has done the same thing, retiring their DC-10-40's with 757-300's and -200's. CO and DL used them to somewhat replace their DC-10's and L1011's, but far from plane-for-plane.

MD-11's and the like have largely been replaced with 777, but again, only for international purposes.

The niche for the 767-400 (high density, shorter routes, where cargo was less of a factor and its lighter weight and smaller footprint an advantage over the A330) simply dried up. While Boeing has pitched the aircraft for international operations, it's a reality that the 767-400 is an underdog with the A330 in that battle.

Steve


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