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Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?  
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2167 posts, RR: 13
Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Which airlines had services going once around the globe? Where did they stop? WHich aircraft did they use? Pax or cargo (if cargos produce these schedules).

I know there was the UA1/UA2 going IAD-LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-IAD, and there also was a PAN AM flight going round, and one by China Airlines (Taiwan) in the 90s, but which else?

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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4477 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

I have an old 1950's TWA poster that shows a Constellation and routemaps around the globe via Europe and North Africa, and some asian destinations.

So I assume TWA used to fly around the globe with Constellations in the 1950s.  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

Sounds cool. Which cities did they stop at?

User currently offlineDrdivo From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

TWA had round the world service in the early 1970s. They agreed to discontinue it in broad agreements on competition with Pan Am during the first fuel crisis, which was officially allowed by the US government, even though it was an anti-trust violation.

Pan Am had round the world flights, as did BA. UA started round the world flights after buying Pan Am's pacific route structure.

If I recall correctly, the round the world flights went in both directions.

TWA never had round the world service with Connies.



Respectfully - the Divo
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

BA??? That's surprising! Which cities? Which aircraft? Ealry 747s?

BTW, does anyone know that website which has an archive of old airline timetables? I forgot the link


User currently offlineJacques60 From France, joined Jul 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

If I remember right, TW was some kind of ORY/ATH/TLV/?/BOM/BKK/HKG etc as I see it with B707, while PA was JFK/LON/FRA/IST/THR/DEL and/or KHI/BKK/HKG/TYO/HNL/SFO/JFK and v.v
Ther was also my favorite AF with ORY/ANC/TYO/PPT/LIM/MAO/CAY/ORY with 707's, plus in the seventies a hidden round the world 741 with acft flying CDG/AUH/BOM/BKK/MNL/TYO/ANC/CDG , changing flt nr in TYO. This was operated both ways.


User currently offlineTNboy From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 1131 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Qantas began regularly scheduled round-the-world services on 14 January 1958 with Super Constellations. The route was Sydney - Fiji - Honolulu - San Francisco - New York - London. The reverse route went Sydney - Jakarta - Singapore - Bangkok - Calcutta - Karachi - Bahrain - Athens - Rome - London. It cost 575 pounds (AUD 1150), and you could pay 10 per cent deposit, fly, and then have two years to pay off the fare.
The San-Francisco - New York - London legs were eventually dropped, and Los Angeles replaced San Francisco. New York was recently reinstated, but there is still no USA - London sector.
Cheers
Bill



"...every aircraft is subtly different.."
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6794 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Depends what you mean by round-the-world. If you mean a flight that took off from some airport and flew all the way around (with no change of aircraft) back to its origin, there have only been a few airlines, for a short time each. Pan Am's piston-engine RTW flights always involved a change of aircraft. And TWA only lasted for a maybe a year, if they did it at all. BA and TW were both around 1969? Don't think Qantas ever did.

When did China fly transatlantic?


User currently offlineSIN747 From Singapore, joined Aug 2003, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Didn't JL have an ATW route?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

TW operated RTW for a bit... but it was only same aircraft for a bit.

N


User currently offlineBAGSMASHER From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Does UA still operate around the world? And do they still go to India? Anyone.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

BA used to have connecting service round the world up to the mid-80's, but I'm not sure it counts.

BA54 LHR-NBO-JNB
BA?? JNB-SEZ-CMB-HKG-NRT
BA6 NRT-ANC-LHR


User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

I know the BA route was LHR/IDL/SFO/HNL/TYO, then various routes through S.E. Asia, India, the Middle East, Europe, terminating in LHR. Speedbird also ran the opposite direction. UA was a plane change HKG from a 744 LAX/HKG to a 767 HKG/DEL and east. Again, both directions. PA's RTW was generally SFO/HNL/TYO then various routes like BA through Europe back to IDL, later JFK. QF did indeed fly RTW with Connies. Years ago, an aunt and uncle of mine flew QF SFO/IDL/LHR on a Connie. Would anyone consider NZ to be a RTW carrier?

User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

Singapore Airlines Cargo has got a few RTW routes. Don't know correct routing, but is something like sin-anc-ord-bru-bom-sin

User currently offlineTNboy From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 1131 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Qantas certainly did, and advertised it as a round-the-world service "without changing planes". For the inaugural flight, two Super Conmstellations took off on January 14, one heading west, and one heading west. They both returned on January 20.
The service continued for some time, but I don't fancy the idea of six days straight, even on a Connie. However, there were plenty of stopover opportunities!
Cheers
Bill



"...every aircraft is subtly different.."
User currently offlineUpsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

We can't fly it but 5X does have around the world flights. They start and end in PHL and go to CGN, through DXB, over to Asia, to ANC and back to PHL. Same flight #, same aircraft.

John


User currently offlineFlySwiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2003, 443 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Lufthansa Cargo has some RTW flight with MD11F. Don't now the routing but it's Europe - Asia - North America - Europe


Simle at the world and the world smiles back :)
User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

UTA did too......CDG-BAH/MCT-SIN-SYD/AKL-NOU-PPT-SFO-CDG

UTAFlying High should be able to give more details.

They did also have crew & aircraft based in PPT & NOU mainly to serve the Japanese market from the Pacific islands.



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User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Aeroflot used to do:

Moscow-Bangkok-Singapore (A310/777/Il-96)

Singapore-Bangkok-Khabarovsk (Il-62)

Khabarovsk-Anchorage-Seattle-San Francisco (Il-62) Note this routing varied.

San Francisco-Seattle-Moscow (Il-96)

Up until 1998 it was possible to do the whole lot with Russian aircraft.


User currently offlineChautauquasaab From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Didn't Air France have RTW flights routed via Los Angeles and Tahiti at one point?

User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

As far as I know, AF did and still does CDG-LAX-PPT, but then does not go around the world. Their flights to NOU are through NRT (today involving a plane change at NRT, the NRT-NOU leg operated by Aircalin A 330). But no link PPT-NOU on AF. That was UTA as stated above

User currently offlineGALLO_MEXICO From Mexico, joined Oct 2000, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Air New Zealand ?

At any chance ?



User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Im pretty sure JAL used to have around the world flight long long time ago with DC-8s. It went something like this.

HND-HNL-SFO-JFK-Europe (LHR, AMS or CDG) then 2 stops in the Middle East - India- HKG - HND.

I wish I could be more specific.

TokyoNarita.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6794 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Yeah, we forgot about Japan Air-- they definitely had a RTW route, but don't recall whether you could fly all the way around on one aircraft.

The 2/58 OAG shows Qantas flights to London:

via San Francisco arr Heathrow 1530 Mon and Thur
via Asia arr Heathrow 1430 Sunday, 1815 Tue, 1830 Wed (tourist only), 1645 Thur and 1530 Fri.

Departures from London:

via SFO lv 1100 Tue and Fri
via Asia lv 2200 Tue thru Sat; the Thu departure was tourist only.

The transpacific aircraft had a few berths; no mention of them on the India route. So you can see why I assume Qantas flights always turned at London.

In the 3/61 OAG, Qantas 707s arrived LHR from Asia 1500 MoWeFr and departed eastward 1530 TuThSa. They arrived LHR 2115 SuTh from IDL and departed westward 1100 MoFr. (Qantas also had one Comet a week to/from Singapore.)

I'm guessing Air France never flew RTW-without-change, but they did have a RTW route network in 1974, if nowhen else: via Tokyo, Tahiti and Lima!


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

Having read the above, my feelings still are that BA (BOAC) had the only Around the World Services which actually went all around starting at LHR and finishing at LHR. Three 707 flights a week in each direction. Routing as mentioned LHR JFK SFO HNL TYO HKG then varied through the Middle East calling at some of the following, BKK RGN DEL KHI THR BEY FCO ZHR FRA.

Similar routings were made the other way, with the final sector being the 10h00 Monarch Service from JFK to LHR, which in the summer was a wonderful daylight flight all the way. Fabulous!

PA's so called RTW flight started on the West Coast, around the world to the East Coast, ignoring the continent of North America. The same happened in the reverse direction! Hardly a real RTW!

Not sure about the other carriers and their activities, but can confirm that BA did operate as I spent a great three years, from 1964-66, operating as First Class Steward on all the above routes. Each trip was three weeks away, and fun every minute! I just loved carving the steaming Sirloin Beef on the Trolley!






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25 Shamrock1Heavy : Ba did and still doe son their website -D
26 Timz : As I recall PA finally did have a true RTW circa 1975, for maybe a year-- but I'll check. TW's 7/69 timetable shows an RTW 707 eastward-only from LAX,
27 Carduelis : No BA transpacific now, but after my 707s the VC10 did it for a while, but routing went something more south from HNL to NAN, AKL, SYD etc, instead of
28 Post contains links Timz : If we can believe the OAG PA did fly JFK to JFK both ways in 1975. Maybe the only RTW 747 (until United, maybe?). No TWA all-the-way-round in 7/70 OAG
29 Timz : We could go further and say a true RTW flight has no overnight stops. Probably BOAC's westbound flight via Tokyo-Hong Kong always had at least one ove
30 Vimanav : Does UA still operate around the world? And do they still go to India? Anyone. Nope & they dont fly to India anymore either. rgds//Vimanav
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