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Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?  
User currently offlineChicago757 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 382 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

I was wondering if you guys think that either Boeing or Airbus will make a plane with rear mounted engines like the DC-9 / MD80? I know the MD-90 wasnt a big success, but maybe something different than the twin engine wing-mounted aircraft. Tell me what you think............


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User currently offlineBeltwaybandit From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Boeing makes the 717 (formerly MD90). That was inherited from McDonnell Douglas. For some reason, it does not appear that rear-engine planes are desirable. Not sure why.

User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Actually the 717 looks alot like the normal DC-9's not so much the MD-90's. However Boeing i know has a prototype of somesort like the MD-90's that i think they where going to offer to the airlines. The 717 is selling ok, Hawaian has a good amount, AirTran flyes the 717 which is replacing there DC-9's and buying A319's as well. There are a few other airlines buying the 717....Quantas, goes i know of some others but i just can think of them right now...oh well im going to go look up some pictures and see.

I dont think Boeing and exspesially Airbus are going to make a rear mounted engine aircraft again.


User currently offlineBeltwaybandit From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Bobs89: I think they are looking at a stretch 717 to appeal to the current operators. This will make it, I believe, the equivalent of the old DC-9-40 in length. The longer the 717 gets, the more it encroaches on 737 sales; and Boeing does not want to do that.

What Boeing really should have done (starting 10 years ago) was develop a smaller, 5-across jet to match or beat the new RJs. I don't think anyone could have anticipated the RJ (or big-RJ) growth spurt.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Midwest is in the process of recieving 25 717's as well.


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User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

AirTran flyes the 717 which is replacing there DC-9's and buying A319's as well. There are a few other airlines buying the 717....

A319? You mean 737's? Did I miss something?


User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Bob, Its Qantas and AirTran ordered the 737-700 (50 orders (28 new and 22 GECAS leased [or the other way around]) and 50 options) Also 10 more 717-200s.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

The structure required for tail mounted engines makes the airframe inherently heavy....thus uneconomical. Plus there are less CG issues with a more balanced engin-on-wings-design.

The drag created by engines disrupting the airflow over the wings is outweighed by the above factors.

Also, the 717 is not a success...nor is it selling very well. In all likelihood it will be discontinued within the next two years after current deliveries are made.


User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

A319? You mean 737's? Did I miss something?

He was misinformed. AirTran is buying 737-700s and 737-800s.

[Edited 2003-08-22 23:03:44]

User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

...and staying on the subject.

I don't think so. Possibly, because of maintenance i.e. accessability to that engine. And $$$, of course. So either 2 or 4 engines, sadly.

There were plans of MD-12X (or something like that). Now that would be a challenge to the A346, and not 777-300ER.

The Dassault Falcons are the only 3-engine jets manufactured today (correct me if I'm wrong).

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User currently offlineWestern737 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

Good question. I wouldn't say "never" and there's might be some possible in future. Like Greg said, it is uneconomical and other factors applied in nowdays. I think I remembered seeing some notes that the rear-mounted engines also create some difficulties for maintenance too. But there's always possible if they find a better way to get it done well efficient and economically.

User currently offlineChicago757 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

ACTUALLY GUYS AirTran IS considering the A319.......here's a clip from an article.

AIRTRAN EVALUATE AIRCRAFT ORDER


AirTran Airways wants to order up to 100 more jetliners to continue its sharp growth, Chief Executive Joe Leonard said.



AirTran has strong ties to Boeing, but is also talking with rival jet maker Airbus about a possible blockbuster deal for 50 new jets and options on 50 more, Leonard said. Neither Boeing nor Airbus would confirm it was talking to AirTran, which currently leases most if not all of its 717s from Boeing and plans to continue growing at about 25 per cent per year from 2003 through 2005. "We would like, probably later this year, to put in an order for 100 airplanes - 50 firm airplanes and 50 options," Leonard said. "We see the need to take about one airplane a month to keep us on that growth plan, starting in mid next year." AirTran, which operates mostly on Eastern U.S. routes from its Atlanta hub, is the second all-Boeing carrier this month to say it might switch to Airbus, following Alaska Airlines similar statement on Jan 10.
Leonard said he would like to strike a deal in 2003 and begin taking delivery of which AirTran outfits with 117 seats, or taking slightly larger 737-700s, while one new jet per month by the middle of 2004, about the time a current AirTran agreement with Boeing for 717s has run its course. The talks with Boeing have centred on stretching or adding long-range fuel tanks to the 717, AirTran has talked with Airbus about the larger A319, Leonard said.




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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

GOD UR BEHIND THE TIMES! Check the age of that article! Boeing won the order in the end of June!

User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Wasn't that article written before the Air Tran order?

They ordered the 717 and 737, NOT the A319.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Chicago, ya might want to check the date on that press release...

Airtran has already made their choice, and it was for the 737s. This comes despite the fact that there are Ryan Int'l Airbuses currently operating in Airtran livery.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

There were plans of MD-12X (or something like that). Now that would be a challenge to the A346, and not 777-300ER

Considering that the A346 and 773ER are in the exact same class of aircraft.... how exactly do you propose the MD12 competing with one, and not the other?  Insane


User currently offlineChicago757 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

i meant considered...sorry

I KNOW THEY ORDERED THE 737s...........ITS IN THE AUGUST ISSUE OF AIRWAYS MAGAZINES............GEEZ GUYS SETTLE DOWN

[Edited 2003-08-23 01:15:23]

[Edited 2003-08-23 01:15:45]


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User currently offlineChicago757 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

AA F100s will be replaced with what then.....?

[Edited 2003-08-23 01:42:49]


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