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Ryanair More Punctual Than US Airlines  
User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Not content with claiming to offer the lowest fares and most punctual service in Europe (and I'll agree to so far being a very happy customer of theirs), Ryanair have now in their wisdom decided to claim to be more punctual than any of the US major carriers, though what the point of this is when they don't compete with any of them heaven only knows!!!.
Anyway, for your information, here are the latest figures for ontime arrivals (ie within 15mins of scheduled arrival time) that were kindly supplied on the Ryanair website:

Ryanair 92%
Southwest 85.4%
America West 85.2%
United 84.4%
Jetblue 84.4%
Northwest 83.3%
Delta 82%
Alaska 81.9%
Continental 81.4%
American Eagle 81.2%
AA 80.5%
US Airways 77.7%




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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2162 times:
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Also since they do fly to less congested airports, let us compare apples to apples. Break out the routes where they do have competition and then lets talk.


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

How many European airports make the top ten list in terms of aircraft movements?

Does Ryan Air even serve LHR?

Southwest doesnt fly into ORD or ATL- the two busiest, but they fly into LAX, DTW, PHX and LAS which are in the top 10.


User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Even as someone who likes Ryanair, I saw right through this as being a somewhat suspect piece of marketing hype! The only "busy" airports Ryanair serve are DUB, MAN, BHX and STN which by comparison to LAX, DTW, ORD, IAD, etc, etc, are nothing. Thought this post might ruffle a few feathers with our American friends, keep your comments coming!



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Capital146, I would include LGW as a busy airport  Big grin


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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Oops, yes GKirk, a somewhat major oversight missing LGW off my FR busy list I agree!


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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

As far as I can see you are comparing apples with apples. You are comparing two airlines. The fact that Ryanair flies to less congested airports is irrelevant. This stat simply shows on-time reliability, and in that category, Ryanair win.

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

oh yeah, and does WN have a lot of congestions?
-UN



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User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Ryanair 92%

Ok, I always seem to be in the 8% then.....




User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6001 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

I'll still go for the comparing apples with oranges. FR has nowhere near the same chances of getting into either a gate hold, airfield congestion or anything like the other airlines.

As for WN, they do fly to LAX right? I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the majority of that delay is coming from. Try giving FR some LHR routes, and we'll see how good their on-time reliability is. Until then, you can't really compare them to major airlines.


User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Somebody fire their marketing idiots. Hate this kind of aggressive advertisement and there is a lot of luv missing in that airline, which claims to be the european WN.
anyway...how I comment these statistics:
1. Most airports they fly to, can only be reached by air and they are the only ones flying there. Metro-Airports in the are congested and on 75% of my flights to/in the us my flights are put into holding patterns before landing.

2. Except WN and B6, all the mentioned carriers run on hub-and-spoke systems, where one delay can lead to a dozen more delays. Being the world's biggest airline and getting a rating of 84.4% is far more impressing than connecting some farm airports on time.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

From the lay person's point-of-view, these figures would be highly welcomed. They would probably not know about the congestion so would take these figures at face value. Accordingly, they would be pleased.

The business-consumer relationship is mainly about perception - if the average consumer believes Ryanair to be remarkably punctual, for example, then it will only add to its competitive advantage. The fact that these figures are comparing an European airline to those in America is irrelevant.



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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

Those figures probably reflect controllable delays and how they affect OTP. In other words, how many times it's the airline's fault that an aircraft gets delayed.... due to maintenance, ground loading, and so on. They absolutely do not factor in weather delays or other "acts of god" delays, or problems such as ATC or ramp congestion, and so on.... again, it's often just a reflection on how often the aircraft are delayed due to circumstances the airline can directly control.

That's probably closer to the truth - and trust me, I've played this game before.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2008 times:



Why give FR a LHR route to try? Their stategy is focused on smaller airports, quicker checkin, quicker turnarounds, the customers love it, and they are the ones making most profit.......


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

Somebody fire their marketing idiots.

Marketing IDIOTS?! Ryanair marketting is genius. The public LOVE Ryanair and easyJEt advertising. You may not agree with it, but it gets passengers to fly the airline, which is all that counts. BA may have "respectable" adverts, but if a middle aged American doesn't get people to fly BA with giant posters with low BA prices on, and Ryanair's hooey statistics can, then who's the bigger idiot?


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Their marketing is Super!! AND, It really works!!

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

FR is the most profitable airline in Europe - and this is growing! I think that this speaks for itself.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineStyles From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Michael O'Leary is on record as saying the only way he would ever operate in and out of LHR is if the BAA paid him to do so. I agree with him. LHR is a dog box that is at the best of times a miserable airport to arrive, depart or conect from. What is up with the those 1940s/1950s relics of tunnels in T1?

User currently offlineJETSET123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

One reason why Ryanair is so punctual is that if an aircraft goes tech or has to divert then some of the time the next flight is simply cancelled.

Last year at Hahn our inbound 737-800 diverted to Saarbrucken, but as opposed to bussing us to Saabrucken, the airline cancelled the return flight and positioned the aircraft back to Stansted empty so keeping their schedule and all important stats on track.



User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

I think pprune had a topic on this years ago, stating that pilots got a bonus depending on how many minutes early that they arrived at the gate. The earlier, the greater the incentive. Who knows, might work in the states too.

T.J.



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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

The best analysis would be to rank the airline's on-time performance at each of the largest US hubs (i.e. LAX, SFO, DEN, IAD, ORD, DFW, ATL, DTW, MSP, JFK, MIA, BOS) to see how things REALLY shake out. Do the same for the major international cities like NRT, LHR, YYZ, CDG, FRA, et. al.

I'm sure that data has to be compiled someplace...



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