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Man Jumps Airport Fence, Boards Comair CRJ  
User currently offlineVenuscat2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 478 posts, RR: 3
Posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Does anyone have stories of things like this happening elsewhere?

Man facing charges for airport security breach

(Grand Rapids, August 25, 2003, 6:10 p.m. )
21-year-old Chad Oliver was charged with assaulting a
police officer and malicious destruction of a
building.

Authorities Oliver was in some kind of altered mental
state when he was taken into custody of airport
police.

At around 7:30 Sunday morning, the student walked
passed the security guard shack and climbed a fence
surrounding the tarmac.

He then ran to a Com-Air jet that had its stairs down
and climbed aboard.

Crew members were the only people inside the plane at
the time.

They helped subdue Oliver until his arrest.

The Transportation Security Administration handles
security policy for the airport.

The airport was not shut down during the incident.

Airport officials say because Oliver did not make
contact with any travellers, was not out of sight at
any time, and did not have a dangerous weapon they
didn't have to shut down.

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1416425

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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

Not exactly the same, but 2 homeless people jumped the fence at CPH a while ago and started hunting down & taking various duty free items (mainly alcohol).

User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

interesting. i doubt that we can argue that this incident is the total fault of the TSA. even though they police the airport, it is not possible to keep a guard at every meter in the fence. let's be glad that nothing serious happenned.


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User currently offlineCrjfo From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Airport officials say because Oliver did not make
contact with any travellers, was not out of sight at
any time, and did not have a dangerous weapon they
didn't have to shut down.





wasn't out of sight huh? They all watched him while he jumped the fence and strolled across the tarmac? Thanks TSA. There is more to security than little old ladies at the security checkpoint.
-crjpilot


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8378 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

Thouands Standing Around {and not guarding what really needs guarded}.


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User currently offlineVenuscat2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 478 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

And the latest from the Grand Rapids Press is that the airport was planning on replacing the six foot tall gate (without barbed wire) with a new ten foot gate with barbed wire next week. The head of the TSA at GRR, John Mumma, said: "It's not like he snuck in and breached our security. He said, I'm gonna jump your fence, I need to get on that airplane. He was properly pursued and never a danger to anyone. The security troops did as they were supposed to do."

Full story from The Grand Rapids Press at: http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-10/106190937957410.xml


User currently offlineDFWCapt From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

N766UA wrote: "Thousands Standing Around..."

Or if you prefer, "Tequila Sniffing Agency." They do a lot of that too, smelling pilots' breath while terrorists are running loose.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

"Taking Scissors Away" seems to be another popular version....

User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

TSA is charged with the checkpoint security. They have nothing to do with Airport perimeter. That is the problem with airport police. But in this case the airport police did their job and got the guy in a matter of minutes.


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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

TSA is charged with the checkpoint security. They have nothing to do with Airport perimeter. That is the problem with airport police. But in this case the airport police did their job and got the guy in a matter of minutes.

TSA is charged with Transportation Security, period. This includes much more than just airport checkpoints. Watch out, because soon this government agency will have it's nose in anything that moves. I've heard that they're even going to implement screening for certain busses.

What building did this guy destroy? Aren't they going to charge him with treaspassing?



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User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

Several years ago a flight attendant I know had the crap scared out of her when she boarded a dark aiplane at 4 in the morning and stumbled accross a homeless lady comfortably asleep in row 22.

User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

TSA is charged with Transportation Security, period. This includes much more than just airport checkpoints.

I'll find the text from the FAA that states otherwise...they don't handle airport security unless it's beyond the checkpoint. They have no control whatsoever in the operations of the airport and the securing of airport grounds. That response is soley in the hands or Airport Police.



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Then why is it that the local airport authority around here says that it's the TSA that made them shut down the spotter parks? and why is it the TSA has the authority to revoke FAA pilot's licenses? I'd really like to see the text you're talking about, because clearly the TSA has a scope more broad than just screening pax.


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User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

TSA doesn't shut down the spotter area's. Again that is the Airport Police that do that. They do that because of this stupid rainbow color coded warning system. Of course they are going to pass the buck. Why accept responsibility when you can blame somebody else? I've talked with the head of the TSA in GRR and he said that anything outside the terminal is not his problem. He is concerned with what and who get's through his checkpoints. Like you stated the TSA has been enacted to provide better security. If a pilot is causing or may cause a security problem then they have the right to take action. From what i've heard from our Flight Instructors and our own security personal the FAA still has the absolute power to revoke a license. What the TSA does is takes it away like a parent would a teenagers driving license. They can't revoke it that power is up to the Secertary of State. But unlike the parental authority the FAA can give the license back to the pilot if the circumstances warrant.

I feel very strongly on the topic of the TSA and what they do. I know most of them in GRR very well and they are good people just doing their job. In GRR the job the TSA is doing is a million times better than Argenbright and Globe ever did. Constantly long lines at the checkpoints, took forever to scan the checked baggage. Our flights were constantly delayed because they didn't have enough agents to man the checkpoints. It was a total joke. Now we have the TSA and flying has never been better. Most of the critics on here don't deal with them on a day in and day out basis. They didn't know the problem before the TSA took over. All they do is show up at an airport and see the TSA looking through a bag or hand wanding a person and go "oh look at that poor old lady and what they are doing to her!" They are doing their job, they are doing what they were hired to do. They do their job way better than how it was done before. The TSA gets their rules from the FAA. So if you have a problem go to the FAA and complain to them or your congressman/woman. Like all agencies, government or not, they have their faults. But unless you know first hand what it was like before don't complain!!!



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

I'd still like to see your document. Perhaps his job within TSA is solely what goes on inside the terminal, but you can bet that there are others who work for TSA with other broad responsibilities.

For example, here is one TSA iniative for a "highway watch". Obviously, this has nothing to do with airline terminals, or aviation for that matter. Visit their website for more information on other programs, such as port security.

Highway Watch Program Cooperative Agreement

The purpose of the Highway Watch Program is to promote security awareness among all segments of the commercial motor carriers and transportation community. The Highway Watch Program plans to train the Nation’s commercial drivers to observe and report any suspicious activities or items that many threaten the critical elements of the Nation’s highway transportation system.

The Transportation Security Administration seeks a provider(s) capable of achieving one or more of the following program priorities: 1) Participants identification and recruitment; 2) training; 3) communications; and 4) information analysis and distribution. In addition to these four priorities, the provider(s) must develop and implement a data system for tracking and reporting project requirements.

Authority for this program is contained in the fiscal year 2003 Appropriations Act under Pub.L. 108-7. Total anticipated funding for Highway Watch Program is $19,700,000. Awards under this program are subject to availability of funds.


By the way, if the TSA tells the FAA to revoke a pilot's license, the FAA must revoke it. The only appeal is to the TSA. TSA will continue to acquire new and broad powers in all aspects of transportation security. Don't fool yourself into thinking they're just baggage screeners.



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User currently offlineCrjfo From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

WMUPilot,
How about if I complain. When I fly I see them sometimes five times a day.
Get a clue. If you are an aspiring commercial pilot you really need to get better understanding of the TSA. You really don't think they have more to do with security than at the checkpoint? How about if you checkout THEIR website and learn how deeply they are involved with all aspects of transportation security.

"About TSA
TSA's Mission Vision & Values

Mission

The Transportation Security Administration protects the Nation's transportation systems to ensure freedom of movement for people and commerce."
In other words, they encompass all aspects of transportation security regardless if you see them, know them, say hello to them every time you pass through security, BBQ on the weekends with them, or not!


User currently offlineLBA From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

I have a friend who is a delivery driver in the UK. Last week he had a trip to Manchester airport to deliver to a company based in the cargo area. On arrival at the gate he waved his delivery slip and was passed through. No checks on the load, no confirmation of his identity. Next minute he's on the apron driving round totally lost. No-one approached him in over five minutes. He parked next to an aircraft to take a look around, aircraft open with no people in sight. He then found the hanger and finished the job. This was his first visit to the airport and couldn't believe the ease at which he made the way in to a secure area - all he needed was a van load of explosives and he could have been hurtling down the runway at an oncoming jet.

User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2691 times:
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If I'm not mistaken, FAR still has a turnstile that you can walk through for complete access to the ramp. What security. Oh and a friend of mine who used to deliver pizzas was buzzed through up to the control tower there and delivered it right to the air traffic controllers up there without any questioning or search.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2486 times:
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I´m not totally convinced that Argenbright and Globe were that much better. If only you knew what gets by TSA when we still were searching at the gates. More than you can imagine. Besides, all the people that work for TSA now, were old Argenbright and Globe employees. So b-c they change uniforms that makes them more knowlegeable? Besides, if you ask most of the agents they dont even know the rules. Airline agents know more than what these so called ¨creme of the crop´´ know. Besides, you wait longer in line now then you did before. They have way to many people at check points right now. THey never have two magnotometers open at once. In the morning and evening you can have the line all the way down to baggage claim, because they will not open up the second lane. I have counted 29 sitting around not doing anything. 29. Now doesn´t that seem a bit excessive? Most of them are jerks anyways, on a power trip who think they are the saviors of the airline industry. Well actually they have hurt the airline industry because where airlines make their money are on corporate fliers who will walk up in the morning and buy a ticket from GRR'ORD for about $1500. But now with all the bull sh!t that you have to put up with they will drive it. So in a sense they have hurt airlines with losing our high yield traffic. Face it, TSA is not what its cracked up to be.



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User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Ok well TSA in your airports may suck but our in GRR are way better than Argenbright and Globe. More got past them then the TSA. I work the gate and so i know all what gets throught the checkpoint.

Last year before TSA took over there was a passenger you got around 5lbs of highly explosive fireworks past the "wonderful" argenbright people. Nothing of the sort has yet to happen with the TSA.



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Oh and a friend of mine who used to deliver pizzas was buzzed through up to the control tower there and delivered it right to the air traffic controllers up there without any questioning or search.

I assumed the controllers ordered the pizza, right? So if they were expecting a pizza delivery and "buzzed" them through, where's the security problem? I'm sure if they hadn't ordered the pizza, though, it would be a different story. Frankly, if I were a pizza delivery boy and was "questioned and searched" everytime I had to deliver pizza to some air traffic control tower, I just wouldn't make those runs; I'd tell them to order from someone else. They keep the doors locked and only buzz people through that they know belong in there, so that's adaquate security enough. Security doesn't always mean I need to be searched and interrogated, imo.



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User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Not to be cruel, but didn't the "wonderful" airline people who discovered the fireworks fail to report the discovery, a failure which generated a rather critical warning letter to air carrier personnel?

Just what I've heard...

joe


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