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Poor People Living Next To Runway In Bombay  
User currently offlineAms From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Posted (11 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Last year I was flying with RJ AMS-AMM-BKK and we made a stop in BOM.
When we arrived in Bombay I was so surprised to see so many poor people walking arround the runway side!

It looked like a lot of people living in a Dump.....even children and infants
I was verry shocked about this!

I never been to India before, but I will not forget this!



Regards,
AMS

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User currently offlineFly-k From Germany, joined May 2000, 3149 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3847 times:
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Isn't this the reason why the neighbours were faster at the Air France crash scene than the fire brigade?

Definitely not a place for fenceline spotting...



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User currently offlinePropfreak From Switzerland, joined Mar 2000, 157 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

hi there
well, you might be surprised how friendly those people are. I did some "fenceline spotting" there and had a great time. I don't say stressfree, but interesting nevertheless. I wouldn't call it a dump, rather "selfmade houses", but still with roofs and tv-antennas on top of them, even some 2story buildings. it's a common problem in India; many people from the countryside move to the big cities and don't have any decent housing because it's very expensive.
regards
Olav


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

BOM is not the only airport like this. There are several airports where you see slums next to the Runway and for sure not only in Asia. Another good example would be MNL and airports in Bangladesh such as CXB as well. Of course most airports check that people don't walk into the airport area it self. CXB in Bangladesh as example didn't have fences (there are only few weekly flights) and when a flight arrives, the police closes down the area and as soon a flight left you see people walking on and along the runway it self!




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User currently offlineFly-k From Germany, joined May 2000, 3149 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3737 times:
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Olav, and from the other side, you didn't have any problems with security when taking photos? I'd love to see more from India here at a.net...

[Edited 2003-08-27 15:07:10]


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User currently offlineLuxair From Suriname, joined Jan 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

I fly in november (around the 15th) to BOM from AMS with
NW and hope that I will get the opportunity to take some good shots!



Marvin Lee Cooper
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Air France crash scene??????????  Confused


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

"I fly in november (around the 15th) to BOM from AMS with
NW and hope that I will get the opportunity to take some good shots!"

The Indian government prohibit photography at airports there. Ostensibly the reason is "security" but I think its so that the shoddy condition of Indian airports isn't advertized to the entire universe.

Furthermore, the NW flights arrive and leave in darkness. At that time, it is impossible to see the slums at the end of the runway especially from Terminal 2A where the NW flights park.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

The Indian government prohibit photography at airports there.

It's actually a lot more stringent. No photography is permitted at or of any airport or airstrip facility in India. Furthermore, no photography is permitted without express permission of the crew aboard any Indian registered aircraft in flight worldwide (photography on ground is ok). Additionally, no photography whatsoever is permitted aboard any foreign registered aircraft flying over Indian airspace without the express written permission of the Government of India.


User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

727LOVER
MUMBAY as it is now officially known in India, was were an AF 747 burnt out when the brakes overheated during taxiing for take-off. The aircraft was registered N28888 (BTW, I personally saw this one at ORY with a DASH in the reg: N-28888). The accident was way back on June 12, 1975, plane still pretty new with a little over 7600 hours.
But a crash... NO

Peter


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

"Furthermore, no photography is permitted without express permission of the crew aboard any Indian registered aircraft in flight worldwide."

Now whats the rationale behind that? So that the entire universe isn't privy to the shoddy state of AI's aircraft as advertised on the cabin pictures section of A.net?

Btw, -437B, in that case we have to rely on you for a description of AI's new Business Class cabin !!


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Now whats the rationale behind that?

This specific rule was introduced in 2000 following a review of security procedures and failures that led to the hijack of IC 814 to Kandahar. I'm sure you can guess the reasons.

in that case we have to rely on you for a description of AI's new Business Class cabin

Or someone can ask the crew and get permission to take the pictures!  Smile


User currently offlinePropfreak From Switzerland, joined Mar 2000, 157 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Hi Konstantin
most of the "usable" shots I already uploaded quite some time ago. been there never more than 3 hours. also because the light was only ok in the afternoon till sunset, and that as well only in wintertime (rwy 09/27). add the "weather" (smog) problem and you won't find many days with good conditions. also now after the bomb attack I wouldn't recommend to anybody to take pics (or try too) at Indian airports. as b747-437B points out it's pretty much illegal (and compared to indian prisons greek prisons are probably paradise...).
the reason probably that I was left alone was that I didn't actually take pics of the airport but of the planes while they were in the air. I think the law states that you are not allowed to take pics at/of airports and doesn't say anything of airplanes - well, who knows, maybe I was only lucky.

Olav



User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

I think the law states that you are not allowed to take pics at/of airports and doesn't say anything of airplanes

You are correct. You may take pictures of the airplanes that are already airborne provided that you are not physically on airport property at the time.

There are some great places to do this located at the threshold of runway 09 on the South side (for 09/27 traffic) and at the Indian Airlines colony at Kalina (for 14/32 traffic).

Another good place to get shots (if you have a good lens and the weather is good) is from my bedroom window! We are a fair way (about 20 mins) from the airport but have a clear view over the sea, so all southbound or eastbound departures from runway 27 make their turn just past the coast about 3 miles out smack in front of my window.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

"This specific rule was introduced in 2000 following a review of security procedures and failures that led to the hijack of IC 814 to Kandahar. I'm sure you can guess the reasons."

And the connection is...?


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

My mom's friend wanted to take a picture of the Jodhpur Aerodrome but she couldn't... It sucked too cuz it looked so nice.... Anyways.... Yeah so you can't take pictures on Indian Airport property... My mom said that they dont want u taking pictures because of fear that we might be pakistani's spying on India.... plz dont taking this as a bashing... I think that Pakistan and India are 2 great countries...

Leo/ORD



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User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1965 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

When I lived in Bombay at ages 6 & 7 (in the mid- to late 'sixties), I recall seeing shanty towns along the highway leading to the airport. Although I did not know much about these places at the time, the scene has been imprinted indelibly in my mind. I have many other memories of the city, most of them much more positive; in fact, it is the most interesting place I have ever visited.


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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Extremely interesting post!

I have had a couple of very disturbing thoughts regarding the location of these slums. While I have nothing against its inhabitants, I wonder how one could stop a demented terrorist from actually sneaking in there with a MANPAD and trying to strike an airplane. Surely this has been thought of, therefore my second question: What security measures have been taken to prevent any such acts of terrorism?

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

"Additionally, no photography whatsoever is permitted aboard any foreign registered aircraft flying over Indian airspace without the express written permission of the Government of India."

 Confused

How exactly do they plan on enforcing this?



Word
User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

VonRichtofen
Not every law can be enforced all the time and this doesn't go only for India.
I have been told by people that years ago this was already prohibited in India and they made cabin announcements even in non Indian acfts.



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

How exactly do they plan on enforcing this?

When I flew KLM into DEL last December, they made an announcement over the PA system that we were now entering Indian airspace and that photography was prohibited for the remainder of the flight. SQ and TG also gave us the warning as part of their pre-departure announcements from SIN and BKK respectively.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

I have been told by people that years ago this was already prohibited in India and they made cabin announcements even in non Indian acfts.

IIRC, the ban on photography of aviation installations has been in place since 1971. The ban on cabin photography aboard Indian registered planes was instituted in 2000.


User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3149 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3030 times:
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Olav, I now remember some of your photos.
Dispatch, sorry about the use of the word "crash", I didn't want to dramatize it.
B747-437B, when your bedroom is such a good photo spot, please share some photos with us... ! (if that doesn't cause any legal trouble to you)

Now I'm glad I never took out my camera when flying over India...

Konstantin



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2967 times:

B747-437B, when your bedroom is such a good photo spot, please share some photos with us... !

My photography skills are quite pathetic, so I havent even bothered to shoot from there in the last 10 years or so! Sorry! But if any folks are in BOM when I'm around and plan to do some spotting, I'll include it on the tour of good locations to visit!  Smile


User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2950 times:

B747-437B, when your bedroom is such a good photo spot, please share some photos with us... !

Konstantin, let's stick to aviation OK  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

Peter


25 Post contains images Fly-K : Haha good one Peter, I didn't even have second thoughts when writing this... my mind is clean and pure
26 Propfreak : B747-437B - sure will take you up on the offer if I will ever get back there. I was once sitting on the seafront at Juhu Beach and noted the heavies g
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