CanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4 Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2698 times:
Plans were finalized for the expansion of the 'A' pier at Vancouver International Airport sometime this week. From what I understand, there will be five gates - three over-the-wing bridges, two regular bridges. The present 'A' pier is currently being stripped of everything but the steel frame. The side of the terminal will be all glass, which will be quite a difference from the dull 'B' pier of present.
For those working on the ramp - all gates will be equipped with gate power and airstart power. I'm not entirely sure about there being gate water.
While the gates are being labelled "common use", this project is for Westjet - and its about time they get their own gates!!!!
Spyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2633 times:
Good to hear Westjet receiving some new digs at YVR as the current B hammerhead is just plain horrible when busy. Nice to hear of the over-the-wing bridges being installed and that the pier look will be inline with the rest of the airport. I guess this means that the old commuter ramp will be demolished too. By the way, what's the time frame of this project?
Goose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 16 Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2610 times:
Airstart power? Hrm, you might be thinking of a conditioned air units, not a pneumatic air-start unit. It'll be used for heating and cooling the aircraft without having to run the engines.... and the gate-mounted ones are already installed on most of the WestJet gates in YYC.
A pneumatic air-start unit is a different beast, requires a very large-HP engine and has a seperate set of hoses, and is only really used if an aircraft APU is inop. They're usually very, very heavy.....
It's entirely in my opinion to think that gate-mounted water service would be impractical, as the panel is on the rear of the aircraft, and hoses have a tendancy to freeze in winter. Of course, it's Vancouver.... so I won't say it's impossible.
Hopefully the double-bridges will be more reliable once they get to being installed in YVR. I've heard of break-downs and other problems with the one installed in YYC....
Goose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 16 Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2556 times:
Hey CanadaEh, any word on whether WS will be continuing to use contracted ground handlers in YVR when this new expansion area opens up? I think the last airport which was expanded with them in mind was YYC.... and they opened up their own ramp handling group there around the same time..... right?
I've heard that their OTP out of YYC has gone up quite a bit because of the move.... I don't know if the renovation is connected with the move towards having in-company ground handlers..... as I'm just going on what I've heard from folks in and around WestJet. Just curious.
CanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2528 times:
You're right, OTP has improved. There are many factors to judge when it comes to contracted ground handlers, so it isn't just OTP based. Only time will tell as to when Westjet starts their own ramp in YVR. I would think they'd start up at their eastern hub in YHM before here in YVR, in my opinion.
Goose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 16 Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2504 times:
Someone told me once JetBlue goes by a formula... that if a station receives a certain number of flightsday, they go in-house with ground handling.
No mistake that the costs of going in-house are quite a bit lower, after the initial start-up of buying equipment and so on..... even compared to a contractor like Airport Terminal Services or WorldWide. It'd probably help WestJet's bottom line to start up ground handling in its "major" bases.....
And yeah, I've heard that YHM is a front-runner for the next base to go in-house, and that seems logical due to YHM's prominance as WS' eastern hub.....
CanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2457 times:
That formula sounds like a good idea. When WFS bid on the contact for Westjet years ago, it was their first contract at the time and their way of getting into YVR - it was obviously a very cheap contract for Westjet. Through the grapevine I've heard that Worldwide looses money on the contract right now, so it really doesn't make sense for Westjet to start up its own ground handling here. I can't see Westjet starting up until the contract is about to expire.
With the recent announcement of the charter deal with AT, YVR's charter schedule will be almost triple what it was last year (from drafts I've seen on paper). This winter will make YVR the second largest base for Westjet, so that may also play a factor in any decisions. If you don't mind me asking Goose, what is it that you do?
Goose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
It also helps public perception, IMO. It helps if the airline has control over ground handlers, and how their uniforms, equipment and so on look...... because I've seen some God-awful looking GSE in my time.... it can really bolster the opinion and confidence of folks flying the airline. Especially if the equipment is clean and the uniforms on the guys look decent - I've seen WS' ramp guys in YYC a couple times, and they do look a lot better than some of the contract guys I've seen around the country.
It doesn't help the airline's image if their contracted ground handlers look like a bunch of bums, operating crappy-looking equipment with the paint peeling off, and belching smoke (I wouldn't say it if I haven't seen it)..... most airline pax don't know the difference; They assume that the people loading the bags and whatever else work for the airline they're flying on.
There's also the sense of "pride," I suppose, when it comes down to it. Guys who work for the airline are more likely to "go the extra mile," and treat the customer's property with the utmost care, because they understand the company's image... and tie their own success to that of the airline. But that's a little less tangible.