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New International Airlines To SFO?  
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

will we see any new international airlines to SFO in the next year? does anyone know about any new carriers seriously considering coming here? i have a list with a percent of 0-99 percent of them coming here next year, would anyone please post what they think the likelihood is?

Emirates 0-99
Air New Zealand 0-99
Air Tahiti Nui 0-99
Air Pacific 0-99
QANTAS 0-99
China Southern 0-99
Aer Lingus 0-99
SAS 0-99
Saudi Arabian 0-99
Air India 0-99
Pakistan Intl 0-99
Thai 0-99
SWISS 0-99
all replies welcome

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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

oh, i forgot one, Alitalia


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

Personally, I think the next international airline to make its presence felt at SFO would be China Southern (CZ). There are many Chinese from the Guangzhou area that work in the San Francisco Bay Area, and the ability to fly directly Guangzhou from SFO may be a good idea. I also foresee China Eastern (MU) to fly between PVG and SFO within a few years, given that the Shanghai has become the commercial center of China.

I doubt that Air India or Pakistan International Airways will fly to SFO anytime soon, despite the large presence of Indian and Pakistani ex-patriates here in the Bay Area. Most of these people either fly VS or BA to go back to India/Pakistan through LHR or SQ to go back to India/Pakistan via SIN.


User currently offlineA2 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months ago) and read 5352 times:

Not sure what the chances are...but I would sure love to see Thai flying to SFO. Afterall, they just acquired a bunch of B744s. Hopefully some of that will be used to serve SFO.

Didn't SAS planned on starting services to SFO at one point? I think it was cancelled after 9/11. Hopefully they will reconsider serving SFO. Afterall, SFO is their Star Alliance partner's hub.

-A2


User currently offlineMike77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 203 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

There were plans for SAS to begin service into SFO, but, yes, the tragedy of 9/11 is the reason those plans were aborted.

Alitalia flew into SFO with 763 aircraft from the summer of 1999-2002. However, a drop in loads due to 9/11 is the reason they pulled out. It's a shame. It was a real pleasure driving by the airport and seeinf those green and white planes.

Vietnam Airlines is planning to add SFO during late 2003/early 2004. They flew a 777 into SFO last week on a Goodwill flight. Vietnam Airlines executives met with SFO execs and the city mayor. There will surely be a high-demand for these nonstops to Hanoi.

Rumor has it that Emirates is expected to add SFO service in 2004. I don't know how well those flights would do, but it is definitely an awesome proposition.

As for the other airlines mentioned in the initial post, in my opinion(and I am certianly no expert or in the industry), China Southern, Thai and Air Tahiti Nui would be the most likely SFO candidates. China Southern & Thai, because there is already a large presence of Asian carriers at SFO. And Air Tahiti Nui, because they are doing so well and are eager to expand.



Michael


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5229 times:
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Vietnam Airlines already targeted SFO as its first US city.

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5185 times:

in my opinion, i think that Air NZ, China Southern and Eastern, Thai, and SAS are the most likely to go to SFO. that is not to say the others wont, but i think these five have the best chance. BMI is another that i think could come to SFO, to use as its 3rd destination in the US.

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Like said above, looks like next will be Vietnam Airlines. I have also heard Air Pacific. China Eastern I doubt will return. They did very very poor when they serviced SFO before, and was not one of the airports favorite tendents. I doubt Air New Zealand, but with Star Alliance, maybe. Aer Longus if they can get around all the BS with the Ireland/US rules. Any Star Alliance carrier I would guess.
ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5106 times:

AS739X, how are the terminals coming along at SFO? are alaska and horizon looking at expanding there? also, will BIL get additional service on alaska or horizon? just curious!

User currently offlineKQ777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4969 times:

Didn't Finnair serve SFO from approx 1992-1998? Any chance of them coming back? That always seemed like a very random service to me. I guess Aer Lingus might start service with A330-200 as well, and I have never understood why THAI doesn't serve SFO as the biggest West Coast Star Alliance hub . . . .

User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

I'd love to see Thai. Hey, what about Qantas!! Why did they leave?
I wouldn't mind Air New Zealand
Alitalia still has their landing rights, they just have to wait until demand comes back.
SAS
Finnair did fly here as well. I wonder why they left?


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Copa...yes, we are looking into expanding from SFO. We need to get more gates. We are at a high gate usage rate. On our winter schedule I have had a hell of a time figuring out gate assignments. We are still looking at CUN service. ZIH will be up to 3 weekly this winter. MZT non-stop is back. Also MZT direct thru LAX with 737-900's. SJD is a 737-900 this winter. We have heard talk on AS/QX SAN service as well. I'd love to see Montana service, but SFO won't let QX fly the Q400 into SFO. The airport is a bunch of A'holes honestly. Let you know if I hear more.
ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4829 times:

Why do many airlines serve LAX but not SFO? Is LAX much more popular?

User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

I think LAX gets more simply due to the size of the region vs. SFO area. We are talking 14 million people vs. 6.5 million. I think airlines want to keep their rights at an airport that has much more potential for profit (LAX) than a lesser place such as SFO. Back in 1999 when Silicon Valley was going crazy there was talk of a bunch of airlines coming here but I think with the crash of the dot com industry so went the airlines!!!.. Other than that I don't know. SFO has the 4th highest landing fees in the USA as well.

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

AS739X- BIL is served with the CRJ700, could this still be a possible service w/ the CR7, or will QX more likely start up LAX ops? why wont SFO let the Q400 be flown in? thats really a stupid concept.

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

the airline i would most like to see at SFO though, is Copa! i bet that they would do well on those flights, as TACA/LACSA are the only two with nonstop central american ops at SFO

User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

It is nice to imagine what airlines may serve SFO in the future but so far it has all been speculative. I am sure everyone realizes it takes many months for an International airline to open up a route to SFO. The pilots do need special training on the approaches to the two parallel runways just like the old airport in Hong Kong. Also, US Customs has to give the approval for the new flight many months in advance. I happen to see those new requests once in a while ( wink wink).

The best chance for a new International airline into SFO for 2004 is Vietnam Airlines. The US and Vietnamese governments are soon going to meet for the third time about air rights between the two countries. Yes, Emirates did announce in, I think, December 2002, about opening up an air route to JFK and SFO. This can be found on their home page.

TACA is the only Central American Airline at SFO. LACSA does a code share with TACA. For a few months out of the year, they operate double flights.



John@SFO
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12522 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

Aer Lingus has already identified SFO as one of its next two US destinations (MCO being the other one), so that must be regarded as a 90% likelihood - it's a question of when, not "if". Services could start as soon as this Autumn (well, October), but it depends on the state of negotiations between the US and Irish authorities. Although the EU is currently responsible for all EU-US negotiations, apparently, there is some scope for the Irish authorities to arrange a mini-deal. At this stage, the likelihood is that services won't start until next Summer.

However, they will start, so you can expect to see bright green A330-200s flying the bay approach sometime soon!


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

By the way, I expect Alitalia (AZ) to return back to SFO once they get enough 777-200ER's to restart the service. The problem with AZ flying the 767-300(ER) to SFO from MXP was that the plane was quite pax/cargo restricted on such a long flight--something that is not an issue with the 772ER.  Smile

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

the year 2004 is really looking on the upside for SFO. EI, AZ, and Vietnam Airlines all will probably start service. China Southern is another that could show up too, possibly China Eastern too. maybe this is a sign that the aviation market is finally starting to pick up again where it will be back to pre 9/11 levels.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

There is scarce information here: http://www.flysfo.com/about/press/releases/SF-03-44.pdf

Vietnam Airlines' director of passenger marketing, Duong Tri Thanh, said San Francisco flights could begin only after Washington and Hanoi sign an aviation agreement that would allow each other's airlines to serve both countries. The aviation talks, which are separate from the bilateral trade agreement, have already gone through three rounds of negotiations, and more are scheduled, Duong said.

For Vietnam Airlines, the Bay Area will be especially important because of the large Vietnamese American community. "They'll get a lot of what tourism pros call VFR: visiting friends and relatives," said Ferguson, a former executive with Korea Airlines and China Southern Airlines.

Vietnam Airlines last week took possession of the first of four new Boeing 777-200 ER jetliners it will buy this year for $700 million. The long-haul aircraft were purchased in part with a loan from the Export-Import Bank of the United States, which helps fund American export projects. By the end of next year, the airline says it will buy seven Boeing 777s.

SF Gate




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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Copa-first, yes BIL-SFO can be done by the CR7, but QX has only so many to go around. Thats why thier management was here talking to the airport about the possiblity of the Q400 here. I'm just saying what I know! On the Copa subject, I wouln't hold my breath. Easier to just codeshare down on CO. Then connect to a Copa station. You can throw out how expensive it is to open a new city, yet alone the high cost of SFO. Thats why MX is down to 2-3 flights a day. The SFO living pay difference is to high for them, over OAK,SJC,and SMF. You have to have some large flight loads to pay for the operation here. As I said before with China Eastern, don;t hold your breath either on that one. They tried once, and failed badly. MD-11 with 30-50 pax. China Southern on the other hand, I could see that. VN,EI I can see. My friend at AZ said they will not be back for a while.
ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33054 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

Aer Lingus has already identified SFO as one of its next two US destinations (MCO being the other one), so that must be regarded as a 90% likelihood - it's a question of when, not "if".

The two destinations are Miami and San Francisio, but it seems all DOT wants to give them are Orlando and San Jose unless the 50/50 DUB/SNN rule is dropped.



a.
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

I think Aer Lingus to San Jose would be cool. I'd love to see another Bay Area airport pick up Int'l service. Don't get me wrong I want EI here, but if not SJC would bee sweet.
ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

I read a news brief from the San Jose convention and visitors bureau that San Jose and Dublin are "Sister Cities". They also mentioned that last year the Mayor and a delegation were in Ireland and they were pushing for a flight from EI to san Jose. Personally, I don't think it is the DOT saying where you can and cannot go. I believe it would be a disaster for EI to go into SJC. The IT companies are not giving these guys the chance to travel foreign as much as in the late 90s. I sat in on a video conference call to Miami last week. It saved my employer thousands of dollars by not sending a group across the country.

The SNN/DUB stop over has been a controversy for many years. SNN does not want to loose their link to North America.



John@SFO
25 ILOVEA340 : San Jose would actually be fine for Aer Lingus as AA has a strong presence there and would be great for easier oneworld connections. There is however
26 Copaair737 : AS739X- i was talking to some friends, and it seemed that the next QX route from BIL will be YVR-BIL! BIL hasnt had intl service since western went to
27 Copaair737 : i last heard that Gulf Air will be going to SFO on their A340s, the routing would be BAH-GVA-JFK-SFO. the reason being is because of all the Bay Area
28 Legacyins : Copaair737: I would like to know where you are getting your info from regarding Gulf Air and other route news? I can honestly say there is nothing in
29 Irishpower : What about Qantas? Why won't they come back???
30 Spark : Given the large poplulation of Indians, of both South Pacific and Sub-continent heritage, I don't understand why Air India and Air Pacific aren't serv
31 AS739X : Spark-Taca does fly to SFO. Sometime 2 a night. They arrive at 1155p, so you never see them. Air Pacific has chatted about it. You'd think with like a
32 Legacyins : The International arrivals at Oakland is a joke. When Corsair use to fly in there and 400 PAX were transiting through to Paris, people were laying and
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