Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Posted (10 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Sorry if these have been mentioned. Just got back from out of town. MIA-CVG weekend ERJ service starts 4Nov03. DFW-PVD daily MD80 service starts 31Jan04.


a.
30 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

This is seen already on the those post while ago and it was on the another message boards. Thanks, MAH4546!  Smile

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5242 times:

MAH4546:

FYI: PVD-DFW starts 11/1/03 and MIA-CVG starts 10/4/03. Just thought I'd let ya know!!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

PVD757, thanks for the corrections. However, apparently DFW-PVD may be pushed backed to the end of January, though its still in the scheds.

Though when are they going to do MIA-PVD? Providence is the largest O&D market from Miami not served non-stop. Over 700 people a day! You'd think with AA adding CMH, CVG, IND, MSP, and PIT since July, PVD could work its way in there. Maybe soon...



a.
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

Good news for PVD. DFW should work well for west coast connections. AA seems to be very interested in strengthening their MIA hub, I bet PVD along with inevitably MCI will be coming along soon. CMH, CVG, MSP, IND, and PIT will add good feed in to the Latin/ South American flights.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

The flights are timed mainly for cruise ship passengers and Caribbean connections. Most LatAm connections require a very long layover, though AA is adding a third MIA-GRU frequency that will operate during the daylight starting 15 December. It will be the only daylight service between the US and deep South America.

These five destinations are only the beginning of AA's domestic expansion at MIA, which began last December with Charlotte and Las Vegas. Supposedly, Kansas City and Phoenix may be ready for the summer. As far as Eagle goes, it is anybody's guess where they go, but I think Greensboro has a good shot at becoming the only AEagle RJ city served daily from MIA.

Also, on a side note, American Airlines was going to replace all American Eagle service on MIA-PIT with mainline effective 01Nov03. Mainline will still go in as planned (daily M80), but Eagle will still operate MIA-PIT with one flight a week on Saturdays.




a.
User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5076 times:

WOW did not know the day trip to GRU was coming back.. That is good to hear... Alot of the MIA expansion is limited because of the airport. It is a mess right now, and gate space is tight..

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

Alot of the MIA expansion is limited because of the airport. It is a mess right now, and gate space is tight..

Yup, but more domestic and RJ space opens with the Concourse D extension on 15 November.



a.
User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

Yes I know, if it opens then, I will believe it when I see it.....

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

All signs here at PVD show the DFW service to start 11/1/03, I certainly hope they don't push it back til Jan. The AA folks at this station (Mgr.) say(s) 11/1/03, who knows??? AA just loaded the sked in Sabre this past Sunday and it just appeared on AA's "New service routes" section of thier website, so I'd bet on Nov. As far as MIA service, word is AA knows the numbers between here and MIA (and "beyond" service thru MIA), so methinks its only a matter of time. Prior to this past announcement, I was told PVD was the largest O&D pair without N/S service to MIA, DFW, and STL. Seems only logical we get what's due for service. Also, an AA agent that used to work here in PVD (now in MIA) was told AA would be adding service to 8 cities from MIA and she confirmed PVD was one of them. After CVG, MSP, PIT, CMH, IND - that leaves PVD and 2 others! I'll be watching for that announcement!! Hopefully it will be soon.

User currently offlineN951U From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Does Eagle still run the station at PVD, PVD757?
The station general manager still have initials M.M.?


User currently offlineDoug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 853 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

Well here is a list of the next cities that I think AA will add to MIA soon
American mainline


(do not be surprised to see AA reintroduce the flight or maybe an AE rj?)
4.SAN
5.MCI
all of this makes sense to me especially if AA expands aggressivley out west.I mean someone going to South America will more than likely opt to go on CO from SAN-IAH-PTY rather than AA's SAN-DFW-MIA-PTY
I did not mention SEA since AS serves the route but AA will bring this one back in due time IMO.
American Eagle regional jet cities???
1.BHM
2.JAX (AA or AE needs to upgrade this route I know that the yeilds are low but to better compete with WN at FLL AA should consider mainline or rj.
3.MEM
4.GSO
5.NOR
6.TLH
just my list of the next AA and AE moves.If you remember the renderings of the AS / Naval Bases Ventura County (NTD / KNTD), USA - California">NTD the AE terminal has a lot of gates 26 if I am correct, so AE must plan on adding a slew of cities out of MIA.


User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

would be nice to see SAN come back to MIA. I cannot believe it ever left, it was always full..

User currently offlineDoug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 853 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

Sorry about that I deleted the first 3 cities by mistake they were PHX,PVD,and AUS was the city that could also be reintroduced by AA mainline or an AE rj.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

MIA-SAN can probably perform a whole lot better now that they have 738s.

All those destinations seem reasonable. As do Richmond/RIC and Louisville/SDF. And seeing how AA loves XNA so much, I actually would not rule out a weekend RJ to Northwest Arkansas (a long shot, but not impossible).

Internationally, Valencia/VLN is a go. It was going to be launched in 2002, but the Veneuzlan economy hit huge problems, but traffic to Veneuzla is once again excellent. Two other destinations that are possible are Georgetown/GEO and Manaus/MAO. AA was going to launch both with 738s back in 1999, but economic problems stopped the launch. I also would not rule out flights to ASU and CNF becoming non-stops instead of via GRU on certain days of the week. Loads are excellent on both, and the new two-class 763s help solve the yield issues. The return of Frankfurt/FRA, now that they have the 2-class 763s, is something I would not rule out as well. And if Miami lands the FTAA, MIA-BRU would be a gold mine with political traffic. Some other smart choices include the returns of St. Lucia/SLU, Grenada/GND, Cozumel/CZM, and Antigua/ANU. USAirways offers these connections from thier PHL and/or CLT hubs, and has an upperhand by offering non-stops from the mainland. They don't need to be daily...just a weekend service would do great. Oh yeah, and Ottawa/YOW would probably do very nicely.






a.
User currently offlineN951U From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

I wouldn't bet on a weekend flight to XNA.... that market is almost purely business travel. Eagle's LGA and LAX non-stops don't even run on the weekend from Fayetteville. Perhaps a weekday frequency for business traffic.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4804 times:

Yeah, I wouldn't bet it on it either, but it would be nice. Hey, those Wal*Mart folks need to vacation.


a.
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

"Some other smart choices include the returns of St. Lucia/SLU, Grenada/GND, Cozumel/CZM, and Antigua/ANU. USAirways offers these connections from thier PHL and/or CLT hubs"

So does CO from EWR and IAH,

St.Lucia is a weekly CO charter from EWR, Cozumel is twice daily from IAH and daily from EWR during the Winter.

CO flies to Antigue from EWR via SXM.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineN951U From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

Yeah, I wouldn't bet it on it either, but it would be nice. Hey, those Wal*Mart folks need to vacation.

But as Wal-Mart continues to take over the world, they will need quick and easy connections to travel around it on business.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

N951U,

The AA station here at PVD has always been run by AA mainline. In the 80's it was all AA mainline (ramp, ops, baggage, gate, and check-in). In the late 80's/early 90's I believe, the ramp (only) was outsourced to AMR (now WFS). AA mainline continued to do all "inside" functions for all AA and Eagle flights. After the BEX purchase, those employees became Eagle which ran thier own ops, gate, and ramp (seperate from AA mainline) and AA mainline continued to do check-in and baggage for all flights (AA and Eagle) and did it's own gate. (confused yet???!!) Anyway, after Eagle pulled all flights here in April, they (and M.M., whom I know very well) were laid-off or transfered, leaving AA mainline (all "inside" functions) and WFS doing ramp only. sorry for the lengthy reply, but as you see it's been a bit of "musical responsibilities" here for a few years now.


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Is AA retaining their 4 frequencies a day to ORD, as well? So with the NON-STOP DFW, there will now be 5 daily AA mainline flights out of PVD? They should use a 738 or even a 757 on that new DFW run. With MD-80 equipment, when the alternate runway 16/34 is in use at PVD, you can pretty much count on weight restrictions due to that runway's short length, 6,081 feet. Glad to see PVD may also finally be getting a long overdue MIA NON-STOP! OR any NON-STOP to a South Florida airport, for that matter! Encouraging news for PVD!

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

AA is keeping the 4 MD-80s to ORD. The DFW flight is entirely new. As for using MD-80 equipment, I think it might have to do with the fact that the 738s may be better utilised elsewhere right now. I am not that famaliar with the AA route network, but I would think those 738s are better suited to west coast runs from the east coast (BOS, JFK, MIA) out west, as well as ORD-West Coast flights. The MD-80 seems the right fit for these flights, and while 16/34 could be an issue, a crosswind takeoff could always be possible.

Jeff


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

DeltAirlines is very correct, the weight issues should be kept to a minimum during the cooler fall/winter/spring months, and during the summer, we typically don't get very high winds that would severely restrict a crosswind takeoff on 5/23 (7166ft), in fact the winds favor rwy 23 a very high % of the time. The 4 freq. to ORD are in deed staying and I just found out yesterday that UA is keeping it's 5th ORD frequency at least thru the end of the year. This flight is usually added seasonally and taken away in sept. Don't be confused, I'd love to see a 738 or 757, but that would be a little greedy, we're thrilled just to get the DFW MD80 flight!

User currently offlineMikeycpvd From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 162 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

M.M. is still at PVD...she is the new designated training coordinator for the eastern region, overseeing 2 trainers at the current time. Out of the 13 Eagle employees at PVD (12 at the time of closing) 4 txfrd to BOS and 1 now works for WFS at PVD. The remaining (including myself) went on unemployment.

I was looking at a map today, and it dawned on me just how far DFW is from PVD when you have a Super-80 operating from less than 7,200. I'm not entirely worried yet cuz the flight is starting during the winter season when temperatures are nice and cool, so density altitude isn't that much of a concern, especially with those famous nor-easters blowing down the long side of runway 5. But what about the summer time? Most of the time the wind is out of the south-southwest so 23 is active, but there are times when it's more ESE and SE, so 16 is in operation. As "DeltAirlines" previously mentioned x/wind takeoffs are always a possibility, but it concerns me thinking about anything that would upset the popularity of these flights, primarily being due to weight-restrictions. Then I remembered last July I was on a Super-80 from LGA-DFW on my way to MTY and while New York has a 150nm or so advantage over Rhode Island, it's not a whole lot in the grand-scheme of things. After all, the 166ft of extra TODA at PVD may be enough to offset the distance imbalance and equal everything out for all I know. I don't know what the accel-stop performance data looks like for AA's MD-80s on any given day, so I'm just theorizing.

But anyway, after all this rambling, basically all I wanna know is if anyone has flown that route or maybe BOS-DFW on a Super-80 off R-9/27 (7000 as well), or maybe more importantly worked those flights. As I remember, my flight was reasonably full and the takeoff was like most MD-80 takeoffs (powerful, but long and drawn-out). Any recollections?



Some cats think i'm 6 feet, I'm so deep; I can get d-d-down like a pessimist - Common
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Hey Mikeycpvd,

Remember also that the "more room throughout coach" initiative plays into our advantage too (was 139?, now 129 seats). 10 less seats + 10 less pax + 10 less pax cargo = summertime departures from rwy 23 (PVD ATC never even makes 16 active due to the weight issues in the summer/too many requests for 23 by the "heavies") with little or no weight restrictions. Your LGA comparison is proof positive that it should work fine. AA could take the handful of pax going thru DFW at 0708 (connx pax perhaps) that even stand a chance of being "bumped" due to weight restrictions and reroute them thru ORD at 0600 or 0940. I doubt they would add the service without looking into the numbers...


25 Post contains images Mikeycpvd : Well they clearly looked at the numbers, and I'm fully aware of that. AA took eons to finally give us the flight, so I don't doubt they did their home
26 PVD757 : I don't disagree with you at all, however the flight is coming, we finally got it after 12 years of rumors and "close calls." Maybe the summertime ske
27 John : Any talk of UA adding DEN from PVD? Is AirTran looking at returning to PVD? Just curious.
28 MAH4546 : All the 737-800s are based out of Miami and Chicago O'Hare. None are based in Dallas. The 738 routes out of DFW are few and inbetween, because at the
29 PVD757 : MAH4546, thats good info, didn't know that, so the S80 will have to suffice until something else gives...again, just glad to get the service. John, no
30 N951U : The Dallas B737-800 base is coming, on the international side first I believe. It won't be too much longer. But MAH is correct about the rotations wor
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
AA: New DFW-CHA; MIA-CVG Daily; Other Minor Stuff posted Sun Jun 26 2005 02:15:40 by MAH4546
AA 738 Routes Not Involving MIA posted Fri Oct 13 2006 15:56:45 by Cubsrule
AA 9 New Routes: JFK-SJO/LRM; RDU-SJU/SJC... posted Mon Sep 23 2002 22:38:57 by MAH4546
AA New Service; PVD-DFW posted Tue Aug 26 2003 20:16:23 by PVD757
Why Doesn't AA Fly PVD-DFW Or PVD-MIA Nonstop? posted Sun Jun 2 2002 18:56:22 by John
AA New Business Seats - What Routes? posted Fri Oct 20 2006 10:46:26 by Vegas005
AA Eagle New Route: DFW-CAE posted Sat Jul 9 2005 10:38:55 by Commavia
AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing? posted Fri Jul 8 2005 03:57:18 by NoMoreRJs
AA Cutting ASM's DFW/MIA posted Fri Sep 24 2004 02:04:54 by Padcrasher
Confirmed: AA's New MIA-BDA Service posted Sat Jun 5 2004 06:00:45 by MAH4546