Motorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3590 posts, RR: 9 Posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6523 times:
What are the most obvious and not so obvious city pairs for these two aircraft?
SIN, BKK & KLI to LAX & JFK, but what else?
What have Air Canada, Emirates and Qatar got planned?
And who's ordered the 777-200LR?
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6478 times:
Other possible routes are ones the 777-200ER serves as well. The LR variant will be able to carry more payload on these routes. For example, CO flies from Newark to Hong Kong non-stop now, but they would have advantages using an LR variant on the same route.
I'm sure ConcordeBoy will be able to tell you more. He's a 777-200LR fanatic.
Dynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6175 times:
Qatar hasn't ordered any 345, but I know somewhere down the road they might be interested in Doha to the US East Coast and West Coast using the 345 or 772LR. Emirates' near-term and mid-term plans include DXB-SYD and DXB-JFK and other North American destinations. EVA Air and PIA have ordered the 772LR. I believe EVA's plan for the 772LR is Taipei and the US East. I believe PIA's plan is also for the US East Coast.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5583 times:
BR and PK have ordered the 772LR
BR is currently said to be calculating the use of the bird for nonstop service to PTY (yes, Panama) on behalf of the Evergreen group. The original plan to use it nonstop to EWR was reconsidered due to improvement in 773ER specifications.
PK has issued statements about using the birds from KHI to either IAH or LAX nonstop, but nowhere near finalized.
Yahoo Orders Group reports that KU is considering ordering the 772LR to expand their N.American services. Also, QR is to decide between the 772LR and A345 (despite already operating the A346) in 2004... stating that commonality is of little interest to them (the chatter QatarAirways can expand on that more than I)
Rickb From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5555 times:
Any truth that the 772LR only meets its specified range with two optional tanks that replace 4 LD3 containers ? someone mentioned this and it would impact the cargo space compared to the A345 if true ?
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5509 times:
Any truth that the 772LR only meets its specified range with two optional tanks that replace 4 LD3 containers ?
Boeing makes it very clear that the 772LR's greater range is provided by two optional tanks in the cargo hold, though they only replace two LD3s, not four.
Some consider this an advantage, as the aircraft can be operated as a superhigh-powered 772ER* without the fuel tanks, with an enormous MTOW (the 772LR will have a higher MTOW than any twinjet ever designed); and don the extra tanks should an operator desire to use the bird for ultralonghaul.
*The disadvantage here, is that even the de-tanked 772LR is significantly more expensive than a GE90-94B powered 772ER with all options standard.
someone mentioned this and it would impact the cargo space compared to the A345 if true
To some extent. Though keep in mind that this is offset by two other factors:
1) the 772LR can hoist more cargo by weight than the A345
2) the A345 must take up valuable cabin or cargo area for crew rest, while the 772LR doesnt have to
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8151 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5476 times:
Well, we'll find out what will it be like to fly a really long flight when SQ starts its LAX-SIN non-stop service using the A340-500 in 2004. You have to wonder will it be able to make it west bound, or will SQ need to use HKG as a technical stop for fuel during the winter months?
The latest specs give the 772LR about 300nm more range than the A345. This doesn't sound like enough to make the difference between an A345 payload restriction to 200 pax and a 772LR full load of 300. Perhaps the 772LR has a flatter payload-range slope than the A345. Published charts don't look very different, though.
Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5229 times:
SQ will initially be severely discounting the flights out of LAX at least until they determine demand (our travel department received our corporate discount scheme a month ago). Apparently, they want Raffles to develop a large following with the nonstop service (how can they not!).
As much as I'm not a fanatic of SQ--the nonstop flight will save hours off the travel time. We'll use it.