Manairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3942 times:
I loved them! Flew on many of BA's MAN based 1-11s and BCAL's LGW fleet. Particularly loved the sound of their Spey engines as they started up. Many of the BA fleet (which by then included the BCAL fleet) went initially to European Air Charter, but not sure where they all are now (I suspect many of them have been broken up).
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3929 times:
I have a question: Were they loud? I'd figure that if you sat in the back, it'd be loud. Plus, older planes usually mean louder engines. It wasn't equipped with hushkits, so it had to be loud! So really, how loud was it??
Dispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3909 times:
Flew 1-11's on BEA and BA, BCAL, Allegheny and Bahamasair. The latter from MIA to FPO, seat 1A. A curtain in the aisle moving to the BACK of the aircraft during t/o and climb. And after about 10 minutes of flying that curtain suddenly moving FORWARD, as the aircraft changed from climbing to descending. A very weird experience...
Continental: as far as I remember: YES, they were LOUDER than DC-9-10's and 737-200's.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3857 times:
Well during the "old days" the Bac1-11 was a quite popular sight in European skies mainly with british charter airlines, we had Laker, Monarch, Dan Air, we also had some regular british airlines flying it, BCAL, BA, interesting at least two german charter airlines operated the 1-11 two and were common sight in Europe, Bavaria and Germanair. I remember seeing all these during the summer in LIS. Unique sights in LIS were for example British Midland - yes they had once the 1-11... - Court Line when was on business was a regular operator to LIS. I saw once a US registred 1-11 from Revlon and when Ford opened the factory in Portugal their 1-11 came regulary. the most famous was G-BEJM!!!
The last time I saw a 1-11 was at FAO I think 2 years ago with European, the plane had a distinctive sound on take off and was quite smokey, but it was a classic so it was lovely to see it!I consider myself a previledge guy because I also flew in one. BCAL G-AXJM from LGW to AMS in 1980.
Saab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3821 times:
When I used to work on the ground at ZRH I saw some 1-11s from Tarom. All I can say is that they were easily the loudest planes I ever have seen and heard. Of course, I am not old enough to have heard the old 707s or DC-8s or VC-10s in all their glory, but the BAC 1-11s that I heard in ZRH must sure have upset the anti-airport people here. Loved it!! Wish they would have done a few late-night go arounds or low passes just to upset the people a bit more.
Trident From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3807 times:
They were VERY loud - although not as loud as the Trident since the Trident has THREE Speys compared to the 1-11's two. I flew in Aer Lingus, Dan Air and BA I-11s at various times.
My uncle was a technical instructor ar Aer Lingus and I remember him telling me that the 1-11s in the fleet were excellently engineered aircraft. He told me that they were standing up much better to corrosion compared to the Boeing 737-200s they had at the time. This was in 1975.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3791 times:
I had four flights on them (1991 Ryanair, 2001 Tikal Jets r/t, 2002 European) and it was a spunky little plane, I like the whining tone of the Speys, very recognizeable, in the 1980s and early 1990s when the 1-11s of BA and BCAL approached over our town to Schiphol.
The 1-11 was a simple regional jet avant la lettre, it looks a bit basic and doesn't have the elegance and grandness of let's say the Caravelle, It's safety record was fine, while for 2 decades more then 100 BACs were registered in the UK, not a single british passenger has ever lost his life in it.
His days are numbered though, I believe the type is grounded in Nigeria and there might only be single examples left in passenger service in South Africa and Guatemala.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Airways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3703 times:
The BAC-111 was an interesting aircraft. I only flew on them a couple of times. They provided for reasonably comfortable flying, but seened rather low-tech for a jet.
The BAC-111 is a British jet, having entered service in 1965, to replace propeller-driven aircraft on short-haul routes. Initially, they were popular, but had low capacity and were less efficient than competitors, such as the Boeing 737 and McDonnell-Douglas DC-9.
The BAC-111 enjoyed modest success, at over 200 aircraft built and several large airlines in Britain and the U.S. operated the One-Eleven for short-haul routes.
BlackandWhite From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3678 times:
First 1-11 i flew on was about 64/65 British Eagle started flying then on th GLALHR route when BE started using then on that route . last i flew on one was 17Mar 2000 from MANGLA the BA flight operated by GAVMZ of European Aviation .....in between flew on 1-11s of BA,BR,EI,BE and in Dec 1987 on N1546 of Florida Express between MCOFLL
In all 52 different 1-11s and upwards of a couple of hundred flights, as BlueShamu said above were very reliable,cant remember many problems with delays though one that does come to mind was on a DUSMAN sector the crew said DUS had found a piece of an aircraft lying on the runway...a wheel !.,after a low pass on arr landed safely, but they changed the flight up to GLA to a 737.
Mainly my flights on the 1-11 were to DUB.DUS.FRA.CDG.MAN,BHX with a couple of other european destinations,the most unusual route was when a 1-11 replaced a sick HS748 from GLASYY 25mins with catering.
Diesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3656 times:
I can remember sitting up the back on 1-11's a couple of times next to the engine...I think in the very last row(s) there may not have been windows or at least the view was very limited by the engines? It's a long time since I sat that far back on a 1-11!
What I do remember well is.... yes, it was noisy there !
As far as saying it was low tech for a jet...well maybe, but remember it was designed in the early 60s and this 'low tech' approach made for a sturdy, reliable jet that was said to stand the rigours of time better than its competitors
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3634 times:
Just to add a bit about the 1-11 and their operation to LIS, I also remember when BIA started to fly internationally, they had the HP Herald for domestic but sudenly they wanted to get in the charter market so they got from Oman Air Force 3 Bac1-11 with side cargo door. Soon they were arriving to LIS. The livery was very basic, all white with BIA titles in dark brown. Ryanair also started to fly to LIS with the Bac 1-11.
Cicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3503 times:
I sure do miss those BAC Pocket Rockets now that I don't see them anymore.
We had a good number in New York for many years. Mohawk (flew one from JFK to Niagara Falls in about 1969) at EWR and JFK, later acquired by Allegheny, but there was also American at LGA and I think Braniff briefly into either JFK or LGA.
There's still a few around USA, about a handful perhaps. ... pop star, Jon Bon Jovi seems to always use one..
Yes, they were very loud, but what wasn't at that time?
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8036 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3298 times:
If I remember it, there were actually some serious proposals to re-engine the BAC 1-11 with Rolls-Royce Tay engines. Too bad the project never became reality, because that would have extended the life of the 1-11 for at least another 12-15 years.