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1-11's - What Did You Think Of Them?  
User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

Up until just a few years ago the 1-11 was still a familiar sight over UK skies.

What did you think of it during the 60's/70's/80's or 90's? (yes it was VERY noisy).

Are any still in service today (Nationwide in South Africa or Okada in Nigeria)?


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User currently offlineManairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

I loved them! Flew on many of BA's MAN based 1-11s and BCAL's LGW fleet. Particularly loved the sound of their Spey engines as they started up. Many of the BA fleet (which by then included the BCAL fleet) went initially to European Air Charter, but not sure where they all are now (I suspect many of them have been broken up).

User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5516 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

I have a question: Were they loud? I'd figure that if you sat in the back, it'd be loud. Plus, older planes usually mean louder engines. It wasn't equipped with hushkits, so it had to be loud! So really, how loud was it??

co


User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Flew 1-11's on BEA and BA, BCAL, Allegheny and Bahamasair. The latter from MIA to FPO, seat 1A. A curtain in the aisle moving to the BACK of the aircraft during t/o and climb. And after about 10 minutes of flying that curtain suddenly moving FORWARD, as the aircraft changed from climbing to descending. A very weird experience...

Continental: as far as I remember: YES, they were LOUDER than DC-9-10's and 737-200's.

Peter


User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Continental,

The 1-11 was equipped with hushkits during the early 80's for European based aircraft (which is where the bulk of them were still flying at the time) to meet with European noise restrictions.

Even so, from the outside they were still very loud!



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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3747 times:


Hi!

Well during the "old days" the Bac1-11 was a quite popular sight in European skies mainly with british charter airlines, we had Laker, Monarch, Dan Air, we also had some regular british airlines flying it, BCAL, BA, interesting at least two german charter airlines operated the 1-11 two and were common sight in Europe, Bavaria and Germanair. I remember seeing all these during the summer in LIS. Unique sights in LIS were for example British Midland - yes they had once the 1-11... - Court Line when was on business was a regular operator to LIS. I saw once a US registred 1-11 from Revlon and when Ford opened the factory in Portugal their 1-11 came regulary. the most famous was G-BEJM!!!
The last time I saw a 1-11 was at FAO I think 2 years ago with European, the plane had a distinctive sound on take off and was quite smokey, but it was a classic so it was lovely to see it!I consider myself a previledge guy because I also flew in one. BCAL G-AXJM from LGW to AMS in 1980.
Regards


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4448 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Flew a 1-11 just once, SYR-EWR on US in the early 80s. As I recall, it seemed like a DC9 on the inside. My most vivid recollection was the smell of jet fuel in the cabin!

User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

When I used to work on the ground at ZRH I saw some 1-11s from Tarom. All I can say is that they were easily the loudest planes I ever have seen and heard. Of course, I am not old enough to have heard the old 707s or DC-8s or VC-10s in all their glory, but the BAC 1-11s that I heard in ZRH must sure have upset the anti-airport people here. Loved it!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Wish they would have done a few late-night go arounds or low passes just to upset the people a bit more.


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User currently offlineTrident From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

They were VERY loud - although not as loud as the Trident since the Trident has THREE Speys compared to the 1-11's two. I flew in Aer Lingus, Dan Air and BA I-11s at various times.

My uncle was a technical instructor ar Aer Lingus and I remember him telling me that the 1-11s in the fleet were excellently engineered aircraft. He told me that they were standing up much better to corrosion compared to the Boeing 737-200s they had at the time. This was in 1975.



User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4315 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

I had four flights on them (1991 Ryanair, 2001 Tikal Jets r/t, 2002 European) and it was a spunky little plane, I like the whining tone of the Speys, very recognizeable, in the 1980s and early 1990s when the 1-11s of BA and BCAL approached over our town to Schiphol.
The 1-11 was a simple regional jet avant la lettre, it looks a bit basic and doesn't have the elegance and grandness of let's say the Caravelle, It's safety record was fine, while for 2 decades more then 100 BACs were registered in the UK, not a single british passenger has ever lost his life in it.
His days are numbered though, I believe the type is grounded in Nigeria and there might only be single examples left in passenger service in South Africa and Guatemala.



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

The 1-11 was built like a tank and had enviable reliability.

Plus it's one of the few commercial aircraft which could expedite descent AND slow down at the same time; can't think of any modern day counterpart which can do the same.

Shamu



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User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

The BAC-111 was an interesting aircraft. I only flew on them a couple of times. They provided for reasonably comfortable flying, but seened rather low-tech for a jet.

The BAC-111 is a British jet, having entered service in 1965, to replace propeller-driven aircraft on short-haul routes. Initially, they were popular, but had low capacity and were less efficient than competitors, such as the Boeing 737 and McDonnell-Douglas DC-9.

The BAC-111 enjoyed modest success, at over 200 aircraft built and several large airlines in Britain and the U.S. operated the One-Eleven for short-haul routes.



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User currently offlineBlackandWhite From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

First 1-11 i flew on was about 64/65 British Eagle started flying then on th GLALHR route when BE started using then on that route . last i flew on one was 17Mar 2000 from MANGLA the BA flight operated by GAVMZ of European Aviation .....in between flew on 1-11s of BA,BR,EI,BE and in Dec 1987 on N1546 of Florida Express between MCOFLL
In all 52 different 1-11s and upwards of a couple of hundred flights, as BlueShamu said above were very reliable,cant remember many problems with delays though one that does come to mind was on a DUSMAN sector the crew said DUS had found a piece of an aircraft lying on the runway...a wheel !.,after a low pass on arr landed safely, but they changed the flight up to GLA to a 737.
Mainly my flights on the 1-11 were to DUB.DUS.FRA.CDG.MAN,BHX with a couple of other european destinations,the most unusual route was when a 1-11 replaced a sick HS748 from GLASYY 25mins with catering.


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

I can remember sitting up the back on 1-11's a couple of times next to the engine...I think in the very last row(s) there may not have been windows or at least the view was very limited by the engines? It's a long time since I sat that far back on a 1-11!

What I do remember well is.... yes, it was noisy there !

As far as saying it was low tech for a jet...well maybe, but remember it was designed in the early 60s and this 'low tech' approach made for a sturdy, reliable jet that was said to stand the rigours of time better than its competitors



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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3524 times:


Hi!

Just to add a bit about the 1-11 and their operation to LIS, I also remember when BIA started to fly internationally, they had the HP Herald for domestic but sudenly they wanted to get in the charter market so they got from Oman Air Force 3 Bac1-11 with side cargo door. Soon they were arriving to LIS. The livery was very basic, all white with BIA titles in dark brown. Ryanair also started to fly to LIS with the Bac 1-11.
Regards


User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Like many Brits, my 1st jet flight was on a Dan Air 1-11 in '77

Thereafter enjoyed many flights on Dan Air and Monarch 1-11's...a very robust airliner and always great fun to walk out of the rear air-stairs between those speys.

Saw a Tikal jet 1-11 at Flores, Guatemala last year (looking absolutely resplendent), but undrstand these have now been retired (where to??)



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User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

I sure do miss those BAC Pocket Rockets now that I don't see them anymore.

We had a good number in New York for many years. Mohawk (flew one from JFK to Niagara Falls in about 1969) at EWR and JFK, later acquired by Allegheny, but there was also American at LGA and I think Braniff briefly into either JFK or LGA.

There's still a few around USA, about a handful perhaps. ... pop star, Jon Bon Jovi seems to always use one..

Yes, they were very loud, but what wasn't at that time?

Tom


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

CV990...

The BIA 1-11's weren't ex Oman AF... afaik they (Oman) still operate them (stand to be corrected on this...)

The BIA aircraft were ex Gulf Air and were pax only aircraft





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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8002 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (10 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

If I remember it, there were actually some serious proposals to re-engine the BAC 1-11 with Rolls-Royce Tay engines. Too bad the project never became reality, because that would have extended the life of the 1-11 for at least another 12-15 years.

User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (10 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

Ray, there were RR Tay engined 1-11s


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User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

The one thing that was strange about the B-111, is that on Allegheny's aircraft, the lav was dry. There was no sink. You had to wet and dry's.

User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

We still look after a couple of VIP 1-11s here at Bournemouth and currently we have the Qinetiq flying test bed in for modification and service.


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User currently offlineNewSwissair From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 282 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

I never saw a 1-11 in my life. How can I compare the noise level? Was it louder than a Tu-134? I have heard many Tu-134 and they are loud, even louder than a DC-9 or a B732.

User currently offlineTrident From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

I'd say noiser - it's partly the supersonic crackles you can hear in the exhaust note. Similar to what you hear on the Space Shuttle (but not THAT loud).

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