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User currently offlineDelta767-400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 228 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

I can't find any information on the new runway, and was wondering if anyone has a map of were it location will be?


Thanks
Matt

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Will a picture do?  Big grin

http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/airspace/mia.pdf


User currently offlineCaptain_777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 295 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

MIA sure needs that runway. I think that ATL could use a new runway. When I fly out of there the wait is just so long. Sometimes 20-25 planes. But it is good to see after 9/11 that people are getting back into flying.

User currently offlineDelta767-400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 228 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

I have seen ATL queue get up to 25 aircraft they do need a new runway bad.

How much closer can the runways be at MIA that's like 8,000 ft right? How close is that to the minimum distance and how dose it compare to other parallel runways in the US?

Thanks for the map OPNLguy.

Matt


User currently offlineZebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

The runways seem to be very close to each other. Will there be simultaneous landings like SFO's runways which are also close to each other as well?


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User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Pictures from the ceremony:


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Photo © Don Boyd

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

>>>How close is that to the minimum distance and how dose it compare to other parallel runways in the US?

I read where MIA 8/26 is only 800 feet north of the other runway (09L/27R), which is pretty close. SFO's 28L and 28R are only 600-700 feet apart, so MIA's 8/26 is close. Like SFO, they won't be able to run parallel or simultaneous ILS approaches, as the 800 foot distance is well below the respective 2,500 and 4,300 foot requirements, distances that most other airports have. I presume 08/26 has (or will have) an ILS on each end, and being an "outboard" runway (relative to the terminal) they'll use it primarily for arrivals while using 09L/27R primarily for departures.


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

Yes, this is correct for behind of the new concourse D expansion soon and I seen constructed are very hard worker with those job at MIA airport and it was great to see it with those new concourse D expansion. Can u please given me with email address from public information about ceremony for me, please? Thanks!  Smile

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

I think that ATL could use a new runway

Well, the master plan for ATL includes a new runway; along with converting Concourse-D into a terminal, as well as creating a new terminal across from the original two.


User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

drove by the "new runway" at ATL on saturday... still just a lot of dirt. the dirt actually gets transported OVER 285. its cool, but its taking forever!

User currently offlineGroundStop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

"the dirt actually gets transported OVER 285."

The better part of that project is complete. The conveyor system that carried dirt from the mine, over 285 to the runway site has been dismantled. Construction of a cement retaining wall along I-285 has begun and the rerouting of all secondary roadways through the runway area is complete. From what I understand, the project is running ahead of schedule.

JP


User currently offlineVkstealth From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

MIA doesn't seem that busy though...quite interesting that they needed another runway. but wait don't they use runway 30, 9L or 9r and the reciprocal of thoses runways. why they need another one. traffic isn't that hot though? Am i right? or Wrong?

User currently offlineAir1727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

The new runway at Miami is quite a political one more so than it is a useful one. The close seperation does not allow for standard or close-in simultaneous instrument approaches per regulations, and also increases the runway incursion probability. The obstruction situation is also a factor because of the location of the runway. The other poor planning part of the equation is the assigned designator of 8. The new runway should be 9L, and the older one parallel to it should be 9R. The south runway, because it is much farther from the other two, should be 8. This would of eliminated any confusion and reduced the chances for a misunderstanding of the runway schematic since the right and left assignment is more for parallel runways that are side by side.

User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

MIA isn't busy?

Ha! It's AA's gateway to South and Central America and the Caribbean, of course it is busy.


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Yes, that is correct for MIA was always very busy with those international and domestic flight, too. Of course they do about it with alot of those passengers and cargo planes. They will make improved need with more runway expansion into north side of MIA. Well, talk ya later!  Smile

User currently offlineJT8D From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

....."This would of eliminated any confusion and reduced the chances for a misunderstanding of the runway schematic since the right and left assignment is more for parallel runways that are side by side."

Funny you should say that because during the five hours I spent at MIA this past Sunday the ATC had to advise at least one aircraft to check that his approach was not to the wrong runway. It was a biz-jet which was on approach to RWY 8 when he should have been landing on 9L. After a quick correction he landed on 9L.

GH



Graham Hitchen, KMIA
User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

From what I have heard the new runway is closed after the ceremony... Something to do with the labeling of the runway... I am not sure and to be honest do not understand it.... When I drove home from work, the runway was closed the other day with a big X on it!

User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

They should probably rename it 8L/26R and rename 9L/27R to 9C/27C.

User currently offlineGnomon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

MIA's 08/26, according to the photo linked above, doesn't have precision approach markings -- only the touchdown zone markings. Will they even outfit the runway with ILS? It could be used primarily for departures, which would have to cross 09L/27R, a la PHL, but I could see that causing delays and other problems.

I agree with the poster who said it would have made more sense to designate the new runway 09L/27R. They could have minimized confusion further by designating the existing north-side runway 09C/27C, keeping the 09R/27L designation on the south-side runway.

Anyone know why they didn't do that?

[Edited 2003-09-02 03:38:55]

User currently offlineCaptain_777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 295 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

Yeah, I flew out of KATL today. Was able to catch a glimpse of the project..today was a long queue to take-off, because of holiday. New runway will be nice.

User currently offlineGroundStop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

"today was a long queue to take-off, because of holiday"

Actually, the long lines for departure today were due to TSTMS to the north. Departures were being slowed significantly off the NOONE and NOTWO intersections, as has been the case for about a week now.

JP


User currently offlineVkstealth From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

It is relatively busy. i live around there and travel a lot from and too MIA. but it doesn't seem to be that busy in my mind. i do know it is one of the busiest airports in the US but i still don't find it as SOOOO busy!

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