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Continental 777s In Formation?  
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6296 times:


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I have never seen this type of pic before. How come these 2 are headed the same direction?

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User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6217 times:

Not to be a smart ass, but I believe they are headed in the same direction because their destinations are in similiar directions. I would assume they are in an airway to Europe or North America since they over the Atlantic.

User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 973 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6145 times:

Yeah... my only question is how such a pic is possible..

How does someone take this pic??? It would have to be from a fighter or something, because there is no physical way to shoot directly up like this from a coach seat of a 341, 762, 742, or anything else that happens to be traversing the busy airspace between Nova Scotia and Ireland. The shot also couldn't have been taken during an ascent, because, well, they are at separation minimums as it is.



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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

There are hundreds of pics like that in the database... they use extremely long zooms.

User currently offlineRob2507 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

Try contacting the photographer.

User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6104 times:

Good question thanks for posting, i was thinking this same thing....



User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2693 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

This type of thing often happens over the north atlantic. Hundreds of flights going on 6 different tracks in a few hours of the day lines planes up very well! With RVSM (Reduced Vertical Separation Minima), aircraft can be as close as 1000' apart over the ocean. They could fly on top of one another like that picture for hours if there mach speed is the same. It looks really neat from the plane to look out and see that.

Nick


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5494 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

There are hundreds of pics like that in the database... they use extremely long zooms.

He was below them in another aircraft. Just hard to believe he nailed 2 777's from the same airline like that...pretty cool though.


User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5830 times:

Maybe it was an arranged publicity shot?

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

I am curious what the photographer is in.

User currently offlineUBBA Pilot From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

Something tells me that the photographer may have been in....

the cockpit.

Bob

[Edited 2003-09-01 07:10:11]

User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5049 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5340 times:

I agree...it has got to be a cockpit shot. the windows are bigger than passenger windows.


bruce



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User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 973 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5086 times:

Yeah... I guess that works, that it would be from the cockpit.. and then you would also know where to look for the planes just by looking at the traffic screen.

-Meister



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User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5025 times:

And you all know what, the photographer did not even have to be in a 777 cockpit. You know, the MD11 has much, much larger glasses on the front end .....

Peter


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4982 times:

No, you're all wrong. It was in formation. Every Sunday morning, all the CO employees line up outside 1600 Smith St. and 3 or 4 777s fly over in formation as Gordon Bethune and all the CO admin employees stand outside watching.

Delta does soemthing similar, except they do it on Friday afternoons and of course they're lined up along Virginia Ave. in Atlanta. Here's a picture of N864DA taken from another Delta 777 during their formation flyby:


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User currently offlineAvallillo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4918 times:

This was most likely taken on the North Atlantic tracks, westbound (since it is daylight), and is not a totally unusual scene, although catching two at the same time is somewhat rare. Several things are worthy of note. First, it was almost certainly taken from the cockpit. I can say this because I have taken a few like this from the cockpit of my 767. Second, it showcases the remarkable accuracy of modern Inertial and GPS navigation systems. All three planes are within a few lateral feet of each other!

User currently offlineRayPettit From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4828 times:

Definitely flight crew I would say, not only because of the windows, but also he knows the flight levels. But I'd be surprised if it was taken from a THIRD Continental 777, more likely the photographer was the navigator in this thing whilst in a steep climb Big grin




User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Maybe it was an arranged publicity shot?

Publicizing what? How beautiful the bellies of their airplanes are?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

DeltaSFO-

You're joking right?

N


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8226 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

No he's not joking. I've seen them do it!


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Heh they do fly formations occasionally...

...but these shots are all at FL 370 or higher above the North Atlantic. None of them were taken from a formation, nor do any of these airlines do a weekly formation flight, certainly not on a Friday afternoon.

So I was trying to get in on his humor... but if he wasn't joking, I also have two unique overwater roadways and a seaside condo in Tucson to sell him.

N


User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

I believe that this happens all the time being the airways to Europe are filled each day, but studying the picture for some time in Adobe I think it is the same plane at both locations. If you take the smaller plane and blow it up to the same size the contrails match very well. The blue on both tails are nearly the same shade. Wouldn't a plane that is smaller and farther be a darker blue? Also if the plane was higher the shadow on the belly of the body should be different not the same. The only color difference I could find was on the wings and that's the one bit that makes me believe it is two different planes. I really don't care to argue if it is real or not, but these are my findings for you to make your own decision.

User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

No I'm really serious. Here's a picture from what happens every time one of the Delta 777s lands in ATL after the Friday afternoon formation flight.


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User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

DeltaSFO,

The pic's caption says it was taekn from 35,000 ft over the Atlantic. This was OBVIOUSLY not a "formation flight". I dont know WHERE you get your info from, unless you are accusing the photographer of lying.

Joe's picture was also not a formation flight form what I understand.

I dont even know what to say that would not sound insulting, so I'll stop now.

-Phil



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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

All of that stuff is lies.

Also, I heard from a flight attendant that they're going to do a really special formation flight with all 8 777s over Turner Field if the Braves make it to the World Series this year.

[Edited 2003-09-02 07:07:17]


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25 Bigphilnyc : Accusing esteemed photographer Joe Pries of lying. Right. We need drug screening for anet members, for real.
26 DeltaSFO : Yeah, we need drug screening. Just not for me.
27 Dtwintlflyer : I have many great shots that I have taken while I have been up in the cockpit. None are "formation" flights. It IS unusual to get three a/c at the sam
28 GoAround : DeltaSFO, The Delta 777 receiving the water cannon salute is on delivery, since it was the first DL 777 to be delivered, and this was being noted by t
29 DeltaSFO : Wow, some of you guys are really dense.
30 Ren41 : hahaha DeltaSFO!! People on this site really need a sense of humor... R41
31 Aaron747 : LOL - nobody appreciates sardonic wit these days. Some of you guys just won the gullibility award big-time.
32 Tan Flyr : LOL...I got a bridge I'd like to sell some of you guys too!
33 E1FAIL : Geez Delta, you almost had them in the boat and you let them get away.
34 Bigphilnyc : Part of me thought for a VERY brief second that he was joking, but then I realized that there was nothing funny about it. Not that it was offensive, t
35 BR715-A1-30 : Guys, I didn't mean to start a debate over drug screening and crap. I was just asking if this was normal. I've never seen it before, so I came to ask
36 Post contains images IloveBOI : Hey I figured it out! The photographer took the pic in the cockpit looking up from a Delta 777, to see two Continental 777s flying! I got it! Actually
37 DeltaSFO : Part of me thought for a VERY brief second that he was joking, but then I realized that there was nothing funny about it. Not that it was offensive, t
38 Post contains images N766UA : You people are sick. You thought he was serious about the water cannon thing and the formation comment? Hole-ee-crap.
39 Flyer732 : I thought it was funny... It seems more like an airline employee's sense of humor though. Many a stupid question gets asked.
40 Post contains images ScarletHarlot : HA! So the vertical separation minimum over the North Atlantic is 1000 feet now, eh? I worked on statistical analysis of such a move at Transport Cana
41 Flyboy36y : I'd only find DeltaSFOs "joke" funny if people fell for it, but most people were not convinces that what he was saying was true, they just thought he
42 Post contains images Markus : DeltaSFO...nice. This explains why the airlines, in general, are doing so poorly financially. I can't believe people actually fell for it. Another re
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