BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3764 times:
While there is a fine line between humor and serious, I think that these passengers should have been a little more lighthearted, but the pilot did cross the line with the "No one is successful at landing comment"
DoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3677 times:
Maybe our Brazilian members could shed some more light on this story.
My idea is that it is possible that because air travel in Brazil and elsewhere in Latin America is not as common as it is in the US or Europe, people may be more nervous and sensitive to such comments...
GOL is a LCC, there may have been some first-time flyers on that flight.
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4201 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3482 times:
I think he was trying to be funny.... perhaps trying a little too hard. It is something I could see a Southwest pilot saying here in the USA.
One the one hand, I agree that pilots being light hearted helps break the anxiety some passengers feel. On the other hand, this pilot probably should learn to be a little more sensitive in what he says and how he says it. Not all people are great fliers and a joke can be taken as being serious, thus adding to the nerves.
Frankly, I am not a fan of flying in bad weather. When I look out the window and see clouds rushing by, rain lashing the aircraft, the ground out of sight and a mild case of turbulence, I can become a white-knuckle flier. To combine this with some "turns", a go-around, and/or strange comments from the flight deck might have been enough to make me wonder what the hell was going on up there!!
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3131 times:
It doesn't even sound like he was particularly being humourous in some of the situations. It just sounds like he was trying to keep the passengers informed of the situation and they took it the wrong way.
For the first part, he is just explaining to the passengers weather is below minimums. Then it sounds like he tried the approach and had to go missed. Whats wrong with doing that?
With joking about it being cold outside and the one about them being dizzy. These are obvious things that occured during this flight and any other flight like this, he was just trying to make light of some information.
In summary, these people need to CHILL THE F**K OUT.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3128 times:
I think the comment "no one has been/is successful at landing" is just an unfortunate translation from Portuguese. I would simply take it to mean, "other aircraft have tried to land and no one has done so; they have all diverted". It certainly doesn't mean no one has ever landed successfully there.
I think he was just trying to make light of an uncomfortable decision and cheer passengers up; evidently, he failed, but I don't see anything he said as being inappropriate. The pax were over-reacting.
I think Gol is a Southwest type operation (even down to the colour - why is orange so popular with lo-cos!), so perhaps he was being encouraged to be humorous. I sincerely hope he is not ticked off by his airline. He did his job well and the pax got down safely.
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3109 times:
I remember many years ago, a pilot with PanAm got 30 days company suspension for saying "we will arrive at (---) in 6 hours, that is - if we don't crash...!" - Well, we pilots have humour at times, of a type that passengers may or may not like and... appreciate... Southwest crews have great humour.
Brazil is not a "third world nation" when it comes to airline travel, and the public there is well acquainted with air transport... These crews are as professionals as any North American or European pilots... who like humour.
When I fly, I try to get all passengers to relax and laugh with my jokes as well, and no, Argentina is not a third world nation either... Obviously, I am careful to avoid jokes which would be misunderstood by "nervous" passengers.
I sometimes joke about destination (saying "we will arrive in Miami" rather than saying Madrid) - I joke about telling the passengers that we are crossing the equator, and to look for the big red line painted outside on the ground, knowing that 300 passengers will - LOOK OUTSIDE - then 10 seconds later they will laugh about it... I have made remarks about a couple "doing it in a toilet" in the back of the aircraft, shaking the aircraft and asking them to stop... I have made requests to passengers to push the seat back in front of them, to help the heavy aircraft to takeoff... If there is a joke, I will do it...
I never got any complaints from passengers, but many from my cabin crewmembers - some of them have no humorous minds at all, and take theirselves too seriously...
Few passengers have a degree in aerospace engineering, and do not hold a pilot license... How do YOU feel, yourself, when your mother-in-law is in YOUR car, and is dead scared by your driving, tells you how to drive, yet she does not have a driver's license herself... Many passengers are like that.
Happy contrails, sit back and relax, enjoy the flight...
Dispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3018 times:
Personally this type of stories means absolutely nothing to me.
I have to agree with JBirdAV8r, people are trying to make money out of this. It is just too much overdone.
I remember a bus driver (somewhere) in the USA I met, he stated that when he was in an accident, he locked his bus to prevent people COMING IN and claim physical injuries.
I personally had a similar experience when on street-duty: a woman claimed she fell in a bus that had to do an emergency-stop. She said her shoulder was injured. A (very!!) big fellow from the ambulance-crew grabbed her so-called injured shoulder after a few minutes and she did not even blink!!!
The people trying to sue the airline or pilot should be indicted themselves.
Frntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2980 times:
Skipper on the same note....
A friend of mine is a retired 747 Captain and during one of his flights many moons ago he stepped out of the flight deck during cruise with two strings attached to a hook in the flight deck. He then proceeded to close the flight deck door and hand the two strings to the first passenger he saw saying, "Can you do me a favor please and hold these strings as tight as you can. Whatever you do don't let go!"
A few minutes later he returns and finds the passenger intensely focused on the strings and adhering to his instructions. He tells the passenger that she is doing an admirable job and that she would make a great pilot. He then proceeds to take a pair of toiletry scissors and cut the strings to the gasp of the passenger as the strings fall to the floor.
DoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2976 times:
Hey Skipper, I didn't mean to portray Brazil or Argentina as '3rd world' (although this is a debatable point), I just suggested that with the introduction of the low(er) fares of GOL, air travel was being opened up to those who may not have previously been able to afford it, hence the implication of nervous pax.
The proportion of people who can afford to fly in Latin America as a whole, even Argentina, as I am sure you must know, is not really equal to that of the US or Europe (yet).
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7952 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2913 times:
I think it's great when pilots add a little humor to normally frustrating situations. Coming back home to OAK from IAD last June on jetBlue, we were undergoing sustained turbulence for close to 40 minutes while we passed through the tops of some midwestern storms.
After it got particularly annoying, the captain came on to say "well folks, I'm sorry but the ride reports we're getting from ATC haven't been promising - we'll have to stick with this stuff for another 45 minutes or so from the looks of it. We've tried every altitude but we just can't seem to find any smoother air. It would be nice to be a rocket right now, but unfortunately we're just your usual jet. I'm sure a lot of you are uncomfortable, and I'm sorry about that. We could try going lower to get out of it, but we burn too much fuel down there and I'm sure nobody wants to make a stop in Reno today. So if ya'll just be patient, we'll just continue ride this stuff out"
I commended him for his stickside manner when we landed.
If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32211 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2478 times:
I didn't mean to portray Brazil or Argentina as '3rd world' (although this is a debatable point),
I don't see how that would be debatable. The last thing Argentina is is a third world country. It is a very modern nation, as are neighbours Chile and Uruguay. Brazil is debatable, but third world or not, Brazil is one of the largest domestic air markets in the world, even larger than Canada.
FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2241 times:
I remember quite a few years ago, we had some protests from passengers on an AF flight between INDIA and PARIS-CDG after, as we were flying over Iran, The Pilot announced on the P.A "Ladies and Gentlemen , we are now flying over 'Khomeiny's Paradise' you can on both sides of the plane"...
FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 25, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2063 times:
Well, EmiratesA345, it DID happened to me...! I was just beginning flying for AF at that time, it was at the end of 1988 If I remember well...
It maybe happened on other flights and on other airlines before, and probably after this date, as this "joke" was quite famous among the Crews of all the airlines flying in this region ... .
DIJKKIJK, The "story" you mentioned happened last year, in may I think, on an AF flights when the Captain, after landing in TLV announced "Welcome to Israel AND the Land of Palestine", as on board the flight was Mrs.Leila Shahid, the Palestinian representative in France, and many other PAX going actually to the Palestinian Occupied Territories...It made big mess in the news papers, also because the Captain refused to apologize, and AF refused to punish him.