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Can You Tell A 747-400ER From The Outside?  
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2406 posts, RR: 21
Posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

How can you tell the difference between a 744 and a 744ER from the outside (if it's not written on the fuselage...)?

And how about the 345? Looks like a 342?

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User currently offlineSAA-SAL From Belgium, joined Nov 2000, 356 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

345 and 342 are easy to tell apart : 345 big engines but shorter than 346

342 small engines. 343 and 342 are harder to tell apart : count the number of windows just aft of the first fuselage door. 342 has 3 or 4 windows and then a space. 343 has about 6 or 7 windows and then a space. That's the way I tell them apart from each other.

As goes for B744 and B744ER I think it's a bit harder. I guess there should be a difference in the front gear strut given that the B744ER is heavier and has been strengthened. Cargolux have ruled out the B744ER because they say the front gear it too different compared to the B744's front gear.

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User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Some excerpts from Boeing Article state the main diffeences are

To support the additional weight (35,000 pounds), the new model has strengthened parts in its wings, fuselage and landing gear.

Although the 747-400ER has an identical exterior appearance to existing 747-400 airplane, the flight deck features new liquid crystal displays and reduced noise levels, and the structure features a strengthened fuselage, landing gear and parts of its wing, along with new, larger tires.

The landing gear has been strengthened to support the 747-400ER's increased gross takeoff weight of 910,000 pounds (412,770 kilograms). New, slightly larger radial tires have been added as well.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

You can tell a Qantas 744ER (they're the only customer I think) - the recognition should follow the question, "Since when did Qantas have GE-powered 747s?" The normal fleet are powered by easy-to-spot Rollers.

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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

its not that easy as Qantas also has 3 secondhand GE-powered 744s in its fleet since 1998.
I´m a 747 fan and I can´t tell a 744ER apart from a normal 744 from the outside. That is also the case with 744Fs/744ERFs. They look the same.
The only difference aside the engine issue on QF aircraft is that the ERs miss the front underbelly antenna. But that is the case with all 744s built since a year or so.

User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5095 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Doesn't the 747-400ER have a different kinds of winglet?

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User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

JAL, don't think so.
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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

By the way, regarding the A345 - it's certainly easy to tell apart from the 342 as (besides the engine difference already mentioned) it's longer than both the 342 and 343 - 6 frames longer than the 343, I believe.

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