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Cathay Pacific Hopeful Of LHR-JFK Flights  
User currently offlineAirVB From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 268 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5474 times:



4 September 2003

Cathay Pacific Airways said it was confident of obtaining approval to fly the key transAtlantic route when officials from Hong Kong and Britain meet later this month.

Cathay, which has been seeking transatlantic rights for about four years, said it wants to fly at least once a day between London's Heathrow and JFK in New York, which would allow passengers to fly around the world on the airline via Canada and Hong Kong. "It would be a first round-the-world flight by an Asian airline. The prognosis for a successful conclusion is quite good," said Andrew Pyne, Cathay's general manager international affairs and alliances.

In return for the transatlantic rights, Hong Kong is likely to give Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic Airways permission to fly from Hong Kong to Sydney, where it could hook up with its low-cost carrier Virgin Blue. "That's the trade off," Pyne said.

The transAtlantic route could be a good money spinner for Cathay, which reported a record loss in the first half of the year after the SARS outbreak forced it to chops flights, ground planes and discount tickets. Officials from Britain and Hong Kong will meet on September 25 /26 but even if Cathay secures route rights, the flight is not likely to be running until spring as landing and take off slots at Heathrow airport are hard to secure, Pyne said.

Pyne also said the final green light was expected soon for Cathay's first flight to mainland China in 13 years. The airline wants to operate three passenger flights a week to Beijing before the end of the year. Cathay was awarded a license to fly to Beijing, Shanghai and Xiamen by Hong Kong's Air Transport Licensing Authority in April. Progress on the other two routes hinges on the outcome of air service talks between Hong Kong and China that will take place soon, Pyne said. "We've always accepted that expansion to the mainland will take place very gradually. A new carrier on the market brings a certain amount of uncertainty," said Pyne, who didn't rule out code sharing with smaller rival Hong Kong Dragon Airlines Ltd as a way to increase its exposure to the booming China aviation market.

Pyne also said that Cathay was interested in securing more flights to India and the Middle East, but said Cathay was not yet interested in flying to Baghdad.


So what do you all think?


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User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6805 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

I hope it all happens!!

Tehran and Jeddah have both been rumoured recently.

User currently offlineQantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Would this mean VS giving up a slot each way over the pond to be replaced by CX. How valuable is a LHR-JFK slot-is it worth losing one in return for opening up HKG-SYD?


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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7800 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5240 times:
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Cathay, which has been seeking transatlantic rights for about four years

Believe Singapore Airlines have been waiting around 10 years for these rights. Why should CX get them first? Oh, we'd also need Bermuda II to be renegotiated but that isn't going to happen for a long time.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

Aside from SQ objecting (as mentioned above, they have been waiting for years to operate transatlantic in/out of Heathrow), Delta, Continental, other US carriers, plus bmi, will strongly object to this arrangement if CX is granted the rights.

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

What kind of 5th freedom rights does CX have from the U.S.? I would imagine they are pretty decent considering the business that United, NWA, FedEx, and others do at HKG.

Delta and the rest will complain. But as a practical matter, they need more than one frequency per day to effectively compete against United, America, BA, and VS. This may be an affront to them but it really will not hurt them.

User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

CX do not have any 5th freedom rights in the U.S except JFK - YVR and also with AA on a number of destinations.

It has never been a fare trade for CX when airlines like UA, NW all have 5th traffic rights from HKG to e.g Singapore, Tokyo, while in return CX gets nothing much back. (Imagine CX flying domestic in the U.S with rights to pick up pax, wow). I sure hope that CX could get JFK - LHR, giving the right of HKG - SYD to VS isn't such a big deal as I can see that JFK - LHR is a more high yield route, but yes also much more competetion.

Best Regards

User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6805 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4959 times:

Hong Kong dealing with the US authorities when it comes to route rights has never been fair. The US has always wanted a disproportionately high number of consessions from Hong Kong.

There are plenty of EU-US flights by Asian carriers and hopefully Cathay will simply become another of them.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4953 times:

I dont think that there is a really a problem with CX flying JFK-HKG via a European city.....the issue is going to be with LHR specifically. As long as US carriers (other than AA and UA) cannot get access into LHR, there is a real issue as to whether CX or any other carrier should be able to fly pax from the US into LHR.

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