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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11876 times:

Question:

What airlines, past and present were based in California at one point?

To my knowledge, there are no current running airlines based here. But here are some that I can think of that were:

AirCal (SNA)
PSA (SAN)
Western (LAX)
Continental (LAX)-yes they were based here at one point
Air 21 (FAT)
Pacific Express (SFO)
Jet America (LGB)


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11868 times:

What about Allegiant Air Matt? Aren't they based in LGB?




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11869 times:

That's right. I forgot about them. Except I think that Allegiant is based at FAT.

User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11855 times:

Yes, Allegiant is based in Fresno.


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User currently offlineWpmike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11831 times:

I remember Pacific Airlines (SFO)

User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11827 times:

I am an ex-California boy...
xxx
The airline industry has fled California, once an airline paradise... because of that state's taxation. To add to your list, many airlines were also considered "Californian", but with shared interests in other states... In the 1970s, I considered Continental Airlines, as a Los Angeles/Denver airline, and Western Airlines, was a Los Angeles/Salt Lake City airline... As for United, which is a Chicago airline, San Francisco is their main maintenance base.
xxx
I left California myself, after PanAms bankruptcy... for Argentina. Occasionally I visit there, the airline industry is no longer in California... Boeing took over Douglas LGB, and Lockheed Burbank is gone to Marietta, Georgia.
xxx
What is left are the desert parking and cemeteries... Mojave and Victorville, but I am certain that California will find a way to get taxes from parked or defunct airliners soon...
xxx
Happy contrails, the motto once was "California or bust"... no longer is -
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11820 times:

The airline industry has fled California, once an airline paradise... because of that state's taxation

Excellent post there. If you dare hop over into the Non-Av forum, there are a couple of discussions going on about this.

Basically, our idiot governor (and a lot of people here) would respond to your charges [which are spot-on], by saying "so what? We have nice weather."


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11808 times:

Basically, our idiot governor (and a lot of people here) would respond to your charges [which are spot-on], by saying "so what? We have nice weather."

I think you've completely missed the point of what those of us that defended California wrote. Maybe you should reread all of that stuff.



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11783 times:

I appreciate your comments, Matt D  Smile
xxx
I was born in Santa Monica, and lived for a long time in Thousand Oaks, once Thousand Oaks was known as "Thousand Pilots", because that area, with Agoura, Westlake Village and Simi Valley attracted a lot of pilots...
xxx
I resided in Thousand Oaks even though never based at LAX with PanAm, had to commute to JFK and MIA, which were my bases for most of my PanAm career, I tried to get LAX or SFO, but these places were very "senior" bases.
xxx
When I got married in Argentina (I had been a widower), my wife always had dreamed about California as a paradise - I came back to Thousand Oaks with her, to find out that her Spanish language relegated her to "low class" person, she got very frustrated and told me "let's go home to Buenos Aires"... We sold the house in Thousand Oaks, and said goodbye for good.
xxx
USA, and California, are a dream for many Hispanics. It was not for her, and no longer is for me. I keep California in my heart, like it was in the 1960s... or even in the 1970s... but since the late 1980s... things have changed.
xxx
Since I was living and working in Argentina, I was not liable for USA/Federal income tax, yet California tried to tax me in every way... Californians are now facing triple taxation for car registration, the highest gasoline prices in USA, and if you work in the airline industry, go somewhere else... Education... what a joke in California schools, they are breeding little idiots...
xxx
All airlines have bailed out from California... obvious...
People like me (and many others) have bailed out from California... obvious...
I am a smoker, unfortunately, and respect non-smokers, yet when I respect them by going to smoke on the sidewalk of that restaurant, I am told that the sidewalk is "non-smoking area"...
xxx
Corporate taxes have killed the California industry. Even out-of-state airlines which acquired California airlines have dumped all their California bases, i.e. AirCal taken over by AA, and PSA by US Air...
xxx
All the training and simulators facilities have disappeared in California... None are left.
xxx
Once California, was the state at the edge of social and economic advance in USA, it is now a dumpsite... Goodbye...
xxx
Not so happy contrails (to use my usual signoff motto) -
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11725 times:

How about Aero California?

User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3029 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11731 times:

Aero California, is an airline of Mexico, I dont know where in Mexico they are based.

User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11679 times:

They're based in La Paz.


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11663 times:

Allegiant was founded and originally based in Fresno. However, the new majority owner, Maurice Gallagher, is relocating both the corporate HQ and operations to LAS. Only reservations and a few small functions will remain at FAT.
http://www.allegiantair.com/release060903a.html
I understand that their FAT pilot base may close later this year.

If you want to look at former California-based regional operators also then you need to consider some like:
SwiftAire, Golden Gate, Golden West, Golden Eagle, WingsWest, WestAir, etc.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineAMX From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11641 times:

Does anyone remember another California based airline named AirLA back in the early 90's??? If I'm not mistaken they operated turboprops within the SoCal area, including flights to Tijuana...



AMX



Arriba Sonora!!!
User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11635 times:

B747skipper:

Next time, try western Missouri/eastern Kansas. A lot of your California friends have moved there and find it quite nice, albeit a little cold in the winter.

And they only have power-outages when you would expect them to happen: During ice-storms!

::Misses MCI terribly::



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11607 times:

B747Skipper wrote:
When I got married in Argentina (I had been a widower), my wife always had dreamed about California as a paradise - I came back to Thousand Oaks with her, to find out that her Spanish language relegated her to "low class" person, she got very frustrated and told me "let's go home to Buenos Aires"... We sold the house in Thousand Oaks, and said goodbye for good.

Well skipper I have to respectfully disagree..1st of all if someone took me to Thousand Oaks....I'd want out too..without speaking a word of english. It's nice up there as is Oxnard. But I wouldn't wanna live there. Santa Barbara is too, but wouldn't wanna live there either. But many of residents do, they like the serenity and beauty that those areas offer. (I love driving up there along PCH myself..knowing I can always turn around after lunch and return---to the City) They probably hate the taxes...but they certainly wouldn't want the financial calamity that had burdened Argentina in the last few years...we haven't had people make runs on the banks here lately...infact..NEVER!

You also said:
All airlines have bailed out from California... obvious...
People like me (and many others) have bailed out from California... obvious...

You must be joking. Van Nuys is the general aviation capital. LGB has service like it has never had before..they've reached their self-imposed limit.
Service to LAX is growing monthly if not weekly. A recent trip up to SFO showed me just how busy LAX was in comparison. Yes the Aircraft industry is dead (Boeing,Lockheed etc.) But it's all being rolled up into one company..Boeing. But no sir, the airline industry is a live and well and we're about to receive airlinks and services we may not be able to accomodate. Today you go out to LAX and see FIVE Qantas 747s forming a cluster..a recent arriving DL pilot asked the tower over the radio 'Is Qantas going outta business?'...it's just that they have selected this place to be there N. American strong hold as have Air New Zealand. The beat goes on.
You also said:
Corporate taxes have killed the California industry. Even out-of-state airlines which acquired California airlines have dumped all their California bases, i.e. AirCal taken over by AA, and PSA by US Air...

Well these are normal business acquistion practices. AOL-Time-Warner doesn't want to pick up and place everything on the Warner Brothers Studio lot...that would be ludicrous! Although all those carriers were swallowed up and taken out..the vacuum was filled! Southwest and America West have gladly taken those slots as have AAs and United's (non-labeled) shuttle svcs between LAX-SFO.

You said:
All the training and simulators facilities have disappeared in California... None are left.

Probably so...I wouldn't know.

You said:
Once California, was the state at the edge of social and economic advance in USA, it is now a dumpsite... Goodbye...

This dumpsite has in 3 years gone from being the 7th ranked economic power on the planet if it were a stand alone stand to '5th'....sounds like progress to me.

You said:
Education... what a joke in California schools, they are breeding little idiots...

As far as schools, well... I do know we have some the worlds most advanced universities. On the public school front..it seems to me that schools today offer more to students than when I went to school. [And this applies to all 50 states]As for idiot kids..well I personally believe that's more of a parental thing...more parents need to take responsibility in sheparding their kids. The teacher's job is to keep them on lesson plans. But if Dad is a slacker...most likely junior will be one too! One can only hope that a willing teacher will spot this defect an attempt to interfere and divert the poor kids course.

As for smoking..hey..I'm non-smoker...but to each his own. But I will say this people around you have to smell it when you do smoke. And when someone does it around me..I do my best to crack the hardest fart I can...to give them something to smell!


BN747




"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5215 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11555 times:

Not based in Alta California (1847), now California but Aero California is based in LAP (La Paz) in the state of Baja California Sur, (South California) in the Peninsula.

Also not exactly based or work as a hub but in SJD (Los Cabos) also at Baja California Sur, I think Alaska Airlines got more flights in a day than AM and MX together.

Ricardo M.  Smile




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11527 times:

Our mighty wings of the past/What Happen to them.
PSA(Pacific Southwest)/US Airways
AirCal/American
Western/Delta
Continental/Went toTexas
Pacific East/Folded
Hughes Airwest/Republic/Northwest
Jet America/Alaska
Pacific Express/Folded
Flying Tigers/FedEx
Air 21/?
Golden West/folded
Swift/Folded
Pacific?

Go Allegiant!



Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11497 times:

Our mighty wings of the past/What Happen to them.

Just a few additional thoughts on those takeovers:

PSA(Pacific Southwest)/US Airways - Southwest has taken over what once was!

AirCal/American-again WN has taken on what once was. AA does have a shuttle svc btwn LAX-SFO and svc to SJC. But certainly no AirCal. But...that's a decison at the time....that looked good.

Western/Delta - Though based in LAX, Western had an even larger operation out of SLC. And with Delta's acquisition..the ops out of SLC suck compared to what the were with Western. WA had DC-10s ops in and out all day long. The Twice daily DC-10's to JFK are now 2 757s to JFK.
Twice daily DC-10's from LAX to MIA. Gone.
DC-10 svc SLC to ANC. A 767 and 757.
DC-10 svc SFO-HNL. Gone ...begs the question... was the DL takeover better than what it replaced? Probably not...but that's business, that's hbow it goes!

Continental/Went toTexas - Their presence at LAX notably absent ..now back on the rise again. But take a look..their operation at EWR blows Houston (HQs) away! The undisputed champ outta the NYC area.

Pacific East/Folded
Hughes Airwest/Republic/Northwest - a shell of it's former self, as far as being represented in all states west of Minnesota/Michigan.

Jet America/Alaska - though at LGB, AS has improved on what was Jet America..not at LGB. But at LAX & SFO it has. LAx activity is only overshadowed by SEA.

Pacific Express/Folded

Flying Tigers/FedEx - much larger ops today than back then by far at LAX.

Air 21/?
Golden West/folded
Swift/Folded
Pacific? - I thought these guys were sucked up by PSA. No?

Go Allegiant! Who?..just kidding.

T



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11413 times:

Air 21 closed after 12 months of service.

Swift was purchased by Golden Gate, which folded a few months after the SwiftAire merger.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineBAGSMASHER From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11396 times:

Not only is Van Nuys the general aviation capital of the world- Its the porn capital too!

User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11356 times:

Dear BN747 -
xxx
My apologies about my lack of recent and updated knowledge about California, I was not aware of all that, since I have not been visiting back since 1996, except for brief overnights in LAX aiport hotels...
xxx
I voiced my opinion, based on the many Los Angeles area friends - many are crewmembers who visit me when on a layover in Buenos Aires - I basically repeated what they (erroneously) informed me about what they claim was happening in aviation in Southern California.
xxx
Based on your recommendation - all is booming there - I probably should apply for immigration back to California... but this would make me a victim of a divorce... Besides, I would be considered as a "Latino" myself, despite my Irish name, and my fair hair color and light skin...
xxx
I still maintain this - aviation in Southern California - is not what it once was, a buddy of mine (who visited me here about 2 years ago), Hal Fishman, from channel 5, a pilot himself, told me so. Maybe he is wrong...
xxx
Happy contrails  Big grin
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11319 times:

Hi Skipper,

It's widely known that Hal is a pilot. And when Hal does his broadcast..he comes across like Jerry Dunphy on KCAL 9...a (calif.) flag waver...as in nothing can be finer. But then again..that's on tv. Perhaps he longs for the 'good ole days'--just like I wish I had the camera equipment I have now and that PAN AM, TWA, Air France 707s and Braniff DC-8s would come streaming into LAX. But it's not gonna happen...unfortunately that's what change is about.

As for the latino thing..I speak very little spanish (gringo spanish at that) But I know quite a few latino's from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras,etc..and some are 'low-classed' by their dialects and probably by their own backgrounds, but here they have a found a way to make a better life for themselves and their families. One kid worked 3 jobs to finance a bone marrow transplant for his brother back home. So the 'dissin' that goes on among latinos is common as with all levels of American society. Wealthy whites look down on poor whites, blacks diss other blacks....there's a whole lotta dissin' going on! But it seems like here as in San Francisco (where people are a FAR less superficial vs LA and Southern Calif) that people refuse to let these 'bs' barriers obstruct them from achieving their goals whatever they may be.

No need for the apology, you are very much as equally entitled to your opinion as I am mine. As much as I heard that Buenos Aires is a fantastic city and one I look forward to visiting..I do love SoCal for my own reasons. If NYC had SoCal weather..I'd be there in a flash, cuz I like the city and I think the airports there are more exciting than the what we have here. But as long as they have bone chilling weather...and LAX is almost as good (and getting better) as JFK/EWR..I'll stay planted right here!

BN747
Happy Contrails in BA to ya'



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11284 times:

Hello again BN747 -
xxx
Quite familiar with SFO, actually if I had to live "downtown" in any USA city, my place would be the City by the Bay. In SoCal, Los Angeles is greatest when residing 50 miles+ from dowtown...
xxx
Funny about Spanish, which I speak fully fluently now, the Argentina accent and vocabulary is totally different from what is used by the California Latinos, it is like two different languages. Yes, Buenos Aires is an incredibly wonderful city, extremely cosmopolitan, and cultured... looks like being in Europe, Paris or Milan, besides being populated by 12 million+ people. People here are very friendly, I have never been rejected as a "Yanqui outsider"... If you ever come down here let me know so we can further disagree (over a glass of beer) of the status of aviation in California... The weather - temperatures, is about like SFO, except that we have our seasons reversed here, our springtime is coming soon... Xmas is beach barbecue season for us...
xxx
I am "on the map" for hospitality down here (deep South) and each week I do not fail to receive the visit of AA or UAL crewmembers who are in town and need a tourist guide, so join in... I live in the heart of the city, about one half a mile from the cemetery where Eva Peron ("Evita") sleeps for eternity...
xxx
(s) Skipper



User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11258 times:

others that were based in California

Pacific Express
WestAir
SunAire
Golden Gate
Royal West


25 BN747 : Hey B747Skipper, I'll have to call you out on that beer. I'll bring a windbreaker too. I do like SFO a lot (and it is IMHO the most beautiful city in
26 Post contains links and images LGB Photos : Ah yes but you guys have forgotten to mention that Polar Air Cargo is based in Long Beach, even though they do not fly into LGB, their corperate offic
27 B747skipper : Looks like you guys forgot these operators: xxx (1) Total Air, which changed later in to Air America, they had a few L-1011s, operated charters, offic
28 Clickhappy : wasn't World based in OAK for a long time? How about TransAmerican?
29 LGB Photos : Here is a list of airlines from California I came up with. Stephen Name Alias/Info Country Dates Type Admiral Airways   USA.CALIFORNIA 1959-1962 Airl
30 Post contains images Dash8tech : Gee, did you miss any?!?
31 FATFlyer : Nice list Stephen. I'll have to check my list at home later tonite to see who you had that I don't. Off the top of my head I see you are missing: Gold
32 SunValley : wasn't "The Hawaii Express" headquartered in LA? I remember they called themselves "the big pineapple".
33 Psa53 : According to LGBPhoto's list, PSA(Pacific Southwest Airlines) attempted a startup in 1996 to 1997. Anyone know the story on this one? Did it get off t
34 FATFlyer : The 1996 version was an attempt by an investment banker in San Diego. He had discovered what he believed was a legal hole in the control of the name.
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