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User currently offlineSaa From South Africa, joined Oct 2000, 126 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

One of my mates told me that Emirates would be flying to Cape Town non-stop from October. Can anyone confirm this as the Emirates office in JNB is permanently engaged.

This would make good sense even if it were just four flights a week. They current operate one B777 and one A330 into joburg daily. Emirates is currently the second biggest foreign carrier to south africa even tho they only serve Jo'burg having egged Lufthansa out of the second spot. Lufthansa serves Cape Town as an extension to the Joburg flight.

Its quite difficult to get a seat on an Emirates flight and u must book in advance. No as difficult as a direct BA flight to London though.

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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Wouldn't Durban make more sense?

User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

No as difficult as a direct BA flight to London though

especially in early Jan  Big grin


User currently offlineSaa From South Africa, joined Oct 2000, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

What makes you say that ? Durban does not have a single long haul international flight compared to what Cape Town has. Cape Town has the passengers, the beauty and the economics. I fact the only foreign airline listed is Air Mauritius as Swazi airlink is part of the SAA stable.


Yup DoorsToManual. SAA now flies direct twice a day on days a week and daily on the other 5 days. BA flies daily.

SAA-Fly the South African dream





User currently offlineKQ777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Doesn't SIA still serve Durban? I've always wondered why there aren't direct Durban - London services during the European winter.

User currently offlineSaa From South Africa, joined Oct 2000, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

No. SIA might have served it in the past but it def not not serve it now. even the cape town flight is an extension of the existing jnb service.

As for Durban I dont think there are enough passengers for a daily service, maybe thrice a week even in the european winter as CPT and JNB still attracts more tourists.

SAA-Fly the South African dream


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

Obviously CPT is a larger market than Durban but considerign EK was losing at starting flights to Riga(!),I'm surprised they haven't looked at servign the Asian population in Durban.

User currently offlineZizou From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 1535 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Yes, Durban would be a good option for Emirates. Because with services to Dubai they can then offer a multitude of connections to the Subcontinent and surrounding areas.

User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Doesn't SIA still serve Durban?

Services discontinued Jan 2003. Before that they served DUR twice weekly with a 744 via JNB.


User currently offlineSaa From South Africa, joined Oct 2000, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Does anyone have an answer to the Emirates to Cape Town question ?

I think Emirates has large support base from the ex USSR, u should see the number of 'Russians' over there. So Riga might be a good option for them.

ALso Kenya Airways starts serving Cape Town non-stop from October with two flights a week. This should be handy for passengers looking to go to mumbai as well as europe. BTW SAA has now started using an A340-200 on the mumbai route from JNB.


SAA-Fly the South African dream


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Nothing yet on published schedules for DXB-CPT flights.

User currently offlineEmirates777 From Tanzania, joined Feb 2000, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2683 times:

Saa,
Emirates area manager in South Africa, Juan van Rensburg stated almost 6 weeks ago that they were ready to fly to Cape Town. Two issues however:
1) The current bilateral between UAE and South Africa only permits 14 weekly flights and Emirates already utilise these on their JNB flights.
2) Not enough aircraft are available for a start as early as October.

The good news is that the bilateral is likely to be revised at the next talks in January and you are likely to see Emirates press for a daily into CPT and rights to Durban for the future. Furthermore i have heard that Gulf Air are also keen on operating to CPT from AUH and the bilateral talks will likely try to accomodate this also.

Also Emirates is set to take on 6 ex-SQ A340-300s from early 2004. These are likely to be deployed on some Australian/Asian and European routes and will hence free up some B777s and A330s which would enable additional flights. Africa is at the top of Emirates expansion list in the near-term. Emirates will add a no. of new routes in the next 2-3 years on this continent as well as boost frequencies.

South Africa flights have been tremendously strong. In fact straight after SARs broke out a lot of the Asian capacity was diverted to East and South Africa. Furthermore Emirates has beefed up the B777-200ER to a B777-300 on many of the flights although they likely took some cargo penalties in order to do the flights non-stop. When the B777-300ERs arrive from March 2005 two of the routes that are likely the first recipients of the acft will be JNB and MNL as they provide much needed capacity increases with the range and without the payload penalties.

Rgds
Emirates777


User currently offlineSaa From South Africa, joined Oct 2000, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Thanks

I know that GF will be flying daily to JNB from december. Their service is good and i hope they do well this time around especially after EK sent them packing the last time from the UAE 2 JNB.

PS : great website but you need to update the entry for JNB to twice daily, one an a330 one a b777.


saa fly the south african dream


User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Came to this topic a bit late, but as of yesterfay the South Africans rejected GF's application for daily JNB service. The A340 was part of some options on 4 aircraft.

GF only has permission for five frequencies and they do not want to enter SA on a less than daily frequecncy.


User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Hello Billy,

Do you know what happened to QR's application. They requested the bilateral between Qatar and South Africa to be expanded from 4x weekly to 14x weekly so that QR can start flying there, I never heard anything about it since.


User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2300 times:

Unless there are talks between the two governments, the SA side can be a little difficult. SA is keen to protect its Asian markets as they are planning more flights to China in particular.

QA should offer to fly to DUR (good Indian traffic) and they would get all the rights they need.


User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2260 times:

Billy,

"QA should offer to fly to DUR (good Indian traffic) and they would get all the rights they need."
I agree, QR will also have no competition from EK.

The indication of QR only starting flights into South Africa if they get 14 flights a week (to the whole of SA and not only JNB) probably means that they are looking at several destinations.


User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2251 times:

Would that flight pave the way for flights to South America sometime in the future?

Rgds

RS



"ad astra per aspera"
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

No reason why not - MH already operate KUL-JNB-CPT-BUE with 6th (?)freedom traffic rights JNB-BUE and CPT-BUE.

User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

The MH tag to EZE loses MH a fortune. They are there for political reasons. SA and MH have been told to discuss expanded frequencies to KUL from JNB. I do not know who will fly the extras.

There is a 26000 strong market for India from DUR (I've seen the res data on this). QR told me that they currently would look at DUR via another African point with A300. However, QR is looking at loads of routes so you never know what their plans are.


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