Fly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3990 times:
But Austrian is in the Star buyer group, so that doesn't make too much sense then (unless they continue with their aircraft zoo tradition...) I think Tyrolean had options or an LOI on the CRJ900 that was never firmed up.
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Danny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3856 times:
OK - here is the ranking of chances (my personal opinion).
1. A318 - very likely to be a winner. All of these airlines (DLH,AUA,SAS,ACA) already fly on A320 families. That would be logic addition with low crew training costs. They have been purchasing buses in the recent years. Additionally Lufthansa which is likely to have the biggest influence on final decision have been buying only Airbuses for a long time. In fact they buy every Airbus in the offer (A300, A310, A319, A320, A321, A330, A340, A380).
2. CRJ900 - second place. Canadian lobby in Air Canada will probably push to go this way. DLH also have a lot of CRJ as well as Tyrolean (AUA group). Does not feet to SAS fleet though but SAS fleet is really strange and inconsistent.
3. ERJ170 - some chance. This one has probably one huge advantage - price. However it is hard to imagine ERJs in DLH, AUA or SAS fleet.
4. B717 - unfortunately probably no chance. That is really nice place but completely does not feet to their fleets. Specially to Lufthansa. SAS and AUA do have MDs but AUA decided to replace them by A320 family and SAS will not have enough power to persuade other to this one.
MD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 966 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3651 times:
I think your assessment is right on the money. The A318 is the most likely winner, what with so many members of the Star Alliance operating other variants of the A320 family. But the Bombardier also has many CRJs placed with them as well, so a split Airbus/Bombardier order seems like the most likely scenario to me as Greg said.
FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3634 times:
The chosen RJ type will be operated by a new division within SAS,at the time known only as RJ.
SAS and the pilot unions have finalized an agreement which provides for lower pay and benefits than SAS Airline and SAS Commuter.
This means that choice of RJ aircraft will not be linked to what SAS already operates,as the new division will have it's own operations and technical staff.
A month or so ago,rumour had it that the 717 was the most likely choice.
Anyway,SAS will not decide whether it goes ahead with the acquisition or not until some time in 2004.
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3485 times:
i hate to disagree, guys, but in the german media there have been several articles in the last two months that were drawing a bright picture on the 717 (Boeing even offers to build a stretched -300 if it wins this order) and stating some Lufthansa officials that disliked the A318.
as none of us can´t say for sure and periodic news reports don´t necessarily draw the right conclusions, i highly doubt they´d go for the A318.
there´s several reasons, it´s too much of an airplane for regional operations, it´s too big and too heavy, has too much range and i believe it is not offered with those engines that LH operates its A319/A320s with. dunno if that is correct or even if that would be a problem since LH´s A321s have also a totally different engine type.
however, all these other airlines, OS, SK and AC were major operators of the DC-9s and MD-80s and they are believed to quite like them and are familiar with this type. the 717 isn´t much different but provides excellent operational costs on short hops.
but still, i do agree that somehow, the 717 seems to be quite a strange candidate, given the current fleets of those airlines.
and i either wouldn´t disregard the possibilities of those lovely Embraer 170s and 190s being eventually given the nod. although i have repeatedly stated on this board that Embraer is not favorized by Lufthansa, which was true, for some reasons they´re up in the running again.
it´s probably because they´re the only manufacturer offering "one" product from 70 to about 110 seats, which is not the case with Airbus, Boeing and Bombardier.
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DAL12 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3448 times:
I don't think the CRJ is in the lead at all; Air Canada chief was complaining that "foreign" companies are in the lead. I predict Embraer 170/175 and 717 because the Embraers have more flexibility in the 70-100 market whereas Bombardier only has one real viable aircraft in that range (CRJ-900 is not), and that the 318 is way too overweight for its capacity.
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3240 times:
I think that Boeing will get the order, as they can fill the orders the quickest. With the 717 being the only product on the line @ Long Beach, they can ramp up the production rate. Bombardier and Airbus have backlogs on their production lines, and the Embraer aircraft are still not in service (plus there is a backlog on the 170 line). Boeing has a backlog of 40 a/c on the 717 line, Airbus has a backlog of 84 a/c on the A318 line, Bombardier has a backlog of 112 a/c for the CRJ700/900. And Embraer still has not firmly set a entry into service date for the Embraer 170.
Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3224 times:
id have to say the 717 would probably win this order. SAS, Austrian, and Air Canada all operate(d) the 9s and 80s, the A318 is too heavy, and as SRBMOD said the 717 is the only plane on the line at LGB, thus, creating a quicker rollout for the 717