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Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record  
User currently offlineB-787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 273 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6984 times:

Which airlines have perfect safety records of no fatalities.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Qantas has never had a jet-related Fatality... neither has WN.

Then, there are the newbies (B6, et al)


User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

ATA: 30 years and counting...

Knock on wood.

joe


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

Chalks flying since 1919 and never a passenger fatality!

Praise god it stays that way!


User currently offlineJm017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6816 times:

Air Jamaica and BWIA in the Caribbean. Also cayman Airways I think. there is a website that provides this information.


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User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Virgin Atlantic I would assume hasn't had a fatality...

UAL747


User currently offlineJm017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6747 times:

The website i referred to is airsafe.com


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User currently offlineVanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 684 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6665 times:

ATA baby, 30 years and counting. God willing, let's make it 30 more Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25566 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6653 times:
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Here's the list:

http://www.airsafe.com/events/nofatals.htm

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

I wrote the post before looking at the above list...

[Edited 2003-09-15 04:48:52]

User currently offlineKjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 976 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

Hawaiian Airlines!

Kris



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User currently offlineRampboy77 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 64 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6603 times:

The airsafe.com site lists the airlines without fatalities since 1970. MESABA and Aloha are the only two that were around before 1970. Mesaba was founded in 1944. That is quite a record for an airline from brutal northern Minnesota.


Airsafe.com
Aloha*
Mesaba*
( This would be from NWA. NW is not the parent company XJ. XJ is not a subsidiary of NW.)

* Airline has either a subsidiary or a parent airline that was responsible for at least one fatal event since 1970


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6557 times:

America West as well.

Champion Air I believe.

Thats all I can think of actually.

Alex.



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User currently offlineWjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6537 times:

Westjet as well, in fact they havent had a incident nither...

User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6419 times:

Wjv04: How do you define incident?

Actually, there are no airlines that have "perfect" safety records. Some do not have incidents reported, but none are perfect. If someone cuts their hand on a sharp edge on their armrest in-flight, that technically should be reported as a safety-related incident.

But anything like rough turbulence causing a FA to sprain an ankle or an aircraft skidding off the runway (WN 3x last year) tarnishes the safety record, regardless of if passengers are hurt or killed.

At NJ we had a couple of sick passengers, a heart attack, and an FA with a broken ankle, but that's about it. No fatalities.

Oh, and one tail-dragger pilot!



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User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6299 times:

At Westjet, there has never been a crash. There has never been any "major" incidents (i.e. fire, runway overrun, etc.)

There have, however, been many medical emergency landings. Mostly due to heart attacks, difficult breathing, strokes, etc. I rememeber last year sometime a flight from LAS - YVR hit major turbulance causing 3 F.A.'s to be seriously injured with head injuries.

Every airline experiences emergency landings with mechanical problems, much like every car has its mechanical problems, one way or another. For the record, it's been well a year since I last saw Westjet make an emergency landing due to mechanical problems. If my mind serves me correctly, that was due to bird strikes.



EH.
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6273 times:

Also airlines with no accidents:

- LTU
- Tunisair

Patrick


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6146 times:

the "new" Frontier Airlines (F9) has never had a fatality i don`t think

User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6049 times:

Every airline experiences emergency landings with mechanical problems, much like every car has its mechanical problems, one way or another. For the record, it's been well a year since I last saw Westjet make an emergency landing due to mechanical problems. If my mind serves me correctly, that was due to bird strikes.


That must be in YVR only. I know that WS has had at least two returns to YYC due to mechanical issues in the last three months. One made the Calgary Herald only days ago, when a tire blew out and had to circle with the gear down before landing, so emergency crews could inspect it.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineQANTAS747 From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

I would have to say Qantas, although there was that incident in Bangkok, and a couple of other mechanical things, QF, still and will remain the safest airline in the world. I think before the jet era in the 40s or something there was 1 death, but that is about it. All due to Australian mechanical brilliance. Ever since QF has been using ANZES for some work, there has been more incidents, damn kiwis lol j/k



User currently offlineStefandotde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

Agree with QF747 - as much as I have heared, QF is one of the oldest airlines and has "couple of" planes.
It's easy for an airline that exists 10 years and has 5 or 6 planes to have no accident.
And QF - would get red face if I repeat the word my aussie-mate in BNE is calling the Kiwis  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

My records show QF have 93 fatalities to it's name, but all from a very, very distant past.
If you also count the number of flights QF have had over the years, combine it with it's predominant operating environment (relatively uncrowded Australian airspace and relatively perfect flying/ground operation conditions) and then compare that with many of the larger carriers, then it's the same sort of record as many of those larger carriers, who are more maligned.
(Compare the daily number of flights operated by QF pre 1993 TN takeover and you'll see what I mean. A fleet of approximately 30-40 with many frames doing as little as 4 cycles a day on the long hauls QF did/does, can't compare on the same level as a UA/AA/DL with their 500/600+ fleets and thousands of flights per dayand tens of thousands of cycles per day).
Just another way to prove statistics can read anything you want into them.  Smile
Regardless, it's still a sterling history no matter how you look at it. Don't get me wrong, the "safety first" culture of QF and the superb crewman who have operated the fleet over the years contribute greatly to that history and are a big reason why that history is so good, but one has to compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges.
People that say "QF is safest" are similar to those who jump in and say Air China and Aeroflot have shocking records, although the International "prestige" divisions of both those carriers have as equally sterling histories as QF. (Domestically for both carriers is a whole different ball game, but the International divisions were run completely seperately from them). As an example, until the incident last year (or was it 2001?), CAAC (International Division) which became Air China had only the 1 fatality - something that not many realise given CAAC's shocking domestic division past.
As for who is the safest, it's all relative. There are some carriers you know the odds are with you if you fly with them, there are others you wouldn't fly in a fit.
Cheers.


User currently offlineLarspl From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5745 times:

Air Holland is not in the airsafe.com list..
what kind of incident where they related in?



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User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5727 times:

What are you all talking about. These statistics are nonsense.

What if an airline has only one accident, but a controller caused this accident. This has nothing to do with the airline. A fatality is not the right way to measure how safe an airline is.


User currently offlineBLuewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

In response to Rampboy 77s post ... AQ had a fatality in the late 80s with AQ241, when the 737-200 lost part of its upper fuselage, taking an FA with it.

Its subsidiary, Island Air (PV) has not had any fatalities.

I guess Mesaba is the only one since 1970 that has a "perfect record".



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25 Positive rate : Ansett Australia was a very safe airline. To my knowledge they had no fatalities, although one of it's subsidiary airlines- Ansett NZ crashed a Dash 8
26 Midway2airtran : The 90's Midway Airlines had a good safety record, unfortunately, that didn't hold true financially! R.I.P. JI!!!!!
27 HAL : First off, I'm not sure what anyone is talking about when they say "I guess Mesaba is the only one since 1970 that has a 'perfect record'. Looking at
28 Ha763 : Island Air has had a fatal incident. An Island Air Dash-6 crashed into the mountains on Molokai in October 1989. BTW, Aloha shouldn't be on Airsafe.co
29 Beno : Qantas is an extremely safe and well run airline and probably in the last 10 years the world fastest growing airline. In early 1993 Qantas had a fleet
30 Post contains images A340pilot : I can only recall 3 incidents with westjet that I know about: 1. Engine stall on flight from prince George, BC to Calgary, AB. 2. A/c hits an air pock
31 A340pilot : my appoligies the failed engine was vancouver to kelowna: Emergency landing at airport Web Posted March 11, 2003 There was a scare for passengers on a
32 Post contains links PerthGloryFan : Positive rate said: Ansett Australia was a very safe airline. To my knowledge they had no fatalities I'd suggest that you check out http://www.airdisa
33 Turk223 : BWIA began operations in 1940 - no fatalities to date...
34 Aussie747 : Very topical question, however how far do we back date the statistics? are we talking about fatal accidents? or do we take into account 'incidents'? I
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