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Man Tackled On UA 54 Flight, HNL-LAX  
User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7436 times:

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2483157/detail.html

LOS ANGELES -- A man who disrupted a United Airlines flight from Honolulu was subdued by passengers and airline officials who duct-taped him, then handed him over to authorities when the plane landed Sunday at Los Angeles International Airport, police said.

No one was reported injured during the altercation, said Sgt. Carl Sansbury of the airport police.

"The FBI is conducting an investigation," Sansbury said, adding he didn't know what prompted the outburst. He said police were called to the United gate at about 4:45 a.m. and took the man into custody, then handed him over to the FBI.

The man, whose name was not immediately released, could face a federal charge of interfering with a flight crew, Sansbury said.

"The aircraft landed at the gate without incident," he said.

One of the plane's passengers, Joseph Gugerty, said the man got out of his seat and began talking and wandering the aisle about 90 minutes after United Flight 54 left Honolulu for Los Angeles.

"He was pacing and reading the Bible," said Gugerty who was returning to Kentucky, where he is chief of communications in The Associated Press' Louisville bureau.

"They basically put him down and duct-taped him and the police took him off when the plane landed," Gugerty said. He added that about a half-dozen passengers helped an air marshal subdue the man.

"They let him wander back and forth in the plane until he started to move forward," Gugerty said. "Then they surrounded him and pushed him to the floor. I don't know where they got the duct tape from."

[Edited 2003-09-15 09:03:47]

[Edited 2003-09-15 09:04:52]


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7265 times:

If I had to fly United I would probably be reading the Bible and praying too.

User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7224 times:

"The aircraft landed at the gate without incident,"

HA!



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

Love that duct tape  Smile


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User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

Who needs air marshal's, the TSA, or even the Department of Homeland Security. We've got duct tape!

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7023 times:

Seems a bit harsh - whatever happened to freedom of expression ? Although I can see how that might be annoying. It could be the start of a whole new customer service avenue

eg. You're trying to sleep and the person next to you won't shut up

Answer: Duct tape over the mouth

e.g ditto and the yuppy freak next to you keeps banging away on his laptop

Answer: Duct tape over the keyboard

e.g. kid behind you keeps kicking your seat

Answer: Duct tape the little brat to the seat (and do the mouth, just in case)

e.g. trying to sleep, and the guy by the window keeps opening the blind and letting the lovely predawn glare into the cabin

Answer: Duct tape the blind closed

e.g. You're on the aisle, and the octogenarian next to you keeps getting up to relieve their age-weakened bladder

Answer: Duct tape the old dear to the toilet (no NOT the other idea - you guys are disgusting !).

The possibilities are endless.


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6990 times:

Advice for all airline passengers around the world: shit down and shut up.


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User currently offlineUSAir330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 827 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6967 times:

LMAO !!! I guess United's planes can now take off and land Vertical since they landed at the gate! LoL

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8184 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

I bet someone from untied.com will find a way to criticize their handling of the situation.


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User currently offlineFloris From Netherlands, joined Jun 2003, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6819 times:

I bet someone from untied.com will find a way to criticize their handling of the situation.

As they should. Sounds to me United handled it pretty badly. So the guy is stretching his legs, reading the bible. How is that a crime? He didn't knock on the cockpit door did he? He didn't attach any crew members did he? Get real!


User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6814 times:

Well done to the passengers.
"Half a dozen passengers helped the air marshall."
Is there an air marshall on all United flights now?

"The aircraft landed at the gate without incident," he said. Big grin Big grin Big grin

DC-10


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

Sounds to me United handled it pretty badly. So the guy is stretching his legs, reading the bible. How is that a crime? He didn't knock on the cockpit door did he? He didn't attach any crew members did he? Get real!

He sounds like he was somewhat emotionally disturbed but not dangerous. I figure he'll be filing a false-arrest lawsuit against UA within a month or so.



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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

What did this guy do?!!

He wandered in the aisle so he was duct taped?

I missed what he actually did.

FB05



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User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6595 times:

Folks,

I was suprised this morning to come into work to find out one of my fellow co-workers was actually on board this flight. He was returning from helping his daughter move to Hilo. At lunch today I asked him for his account of what had happened.

He said things first started out with the passenger sitting in his seat, reading passages from a book. It was not the Holy Bible, instead it looked like a Zionism related book. My co-worker was seated in the row behind the passenger, on the other side of the plane (which was a 777). At first the passenger read quiety, then he really raised his voice. My co-worker described his voice level as being "very disruptive", especially in the middle of a red eye flight. The passenger seated immediately next to and the one immediately in front of the disruptive passenger both got up at of their seats and turned to face him. The disruptive passenger then began shouting at them very louding about Satan, God, etc... Most of what he said was incomprehensible, though it definately had a "religous tone".

The disruptive passenger then got up and left his seat, walking up the aisle toward the galley in the front part of the coach cabin. Two "big and burley" passengers got up to follow him, more to keep an eye on him. Once he approached the galley, the flight attendents asked him to sit down, but he did not respond. The "big and burley passengers" took up positions near the exit doors sort of guarding them.

The man then walked back to his seat and made eye contact with every passenger along the aisle and kept his voice at a very disruptive level. Once back in his seat, he quieted down for a moment. One of the "burley" passengers sat down next to him as if to keep an eye on him. A short time later, he had another out burst. The flight attendents approached him while he was seated, but he failed to respond to them. He then got out of his seat again and headed for the galley, this time with about 5 or 6 passengers trailing behind him. The entire time he was still shouting something very loudly. Once again some of the passengers guarded the exit doors.

A person in one of the forward cabins identified himself as a psychologist and approached the galley. The disruptive passenger then returned to his seat and the psychologist sat down next to him. At this time, the captain made an annoucement over the PA that "all passengers must return to their seats and fasten their seat belts". Clearly, this annoucement was made by the crew because of this situation. After several minutes the psychologist got up and spoke with the flight attendents. When the psychologist vacated his seat next to the disruptive passenger, the two "burley" passengers sat down next to him.

Suddenly, the guy lets out a scream, climbs over one of the other passengers, and runs up the aisle again toward the galley, screaming loudly the entire way. This time, approximately 8 to 10 passengers had then got up out of their seats and formed a circle around him in the galley. Once more the flight attended tried to calm him down, but the passenger was hysterical at this point. One of the passengers approached the man and disruptive passenger "tried a weak swing" at him. That passenger then "decked" the disruptive passenger and he collapsed to the floor of the galley. One of the passengers on board identified himself as an off duty customs official who was travelling for pleasure. He had a set of hand cuffs with him that they placed on the disruptive passenger. The passenger kept screaming and by then clearly everyone on the plane was disturbed what had happened to this point. Several of the passengers put a single piece of duct tape on his mouth and he lay there on the galley floor for the remainder of the flight and during landing.

Shortly before landing, the captain annouced over the PA that when they reach the gate, everyone needs to remain seated so they can "assist a fellow passenger off of the aircraft". When the plane arrived at the gate, 6 LAPD officers boarded the plane and escorted him off. A brief annoucement was made by the LAPD over the PA that if anyone wishes to give a statement of what happened to please contact one of the officers on the jet bridge. My co-worker elected not to do so even though this all happened very near him and his wife. He did say about a dozen people did meet with the police officers and give statements.

My co-worker was very surprised to hear that this had made the national news. He commented that all of the passengers acted appropriately and no one over reacted. I asked him specifically if the crew over reacted to anything and he said "Absolutely not." He also said that even though only about 10 passengers or so got up to deal with the situation, the faces on everyone in the plane looked like they were going to get up too if things really got out of hand. I'm glad to see that...

So there you go folks... I don't wanna here any more about how everyone over reacted. The man failed to comply with crew instructions and was detained until the flight could make a safe landing.

Mark Abbott
Denver, CO



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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13643 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6521 times:
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He didn't attach any crew members did he?

Attach them to what?  Big grin



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6466 times:

He also said that even though only about 10 passengers or so got up to deal with the situation, the faces on everyone in the plane looked like they were going to get up too if things really got out of hand. I'm glad to see that...

Me too. If there's one good thing to come out of 9/11, it's that passengers will take more responsibility for their own safety.
It sounds as if the passenger in question is what is known as an EDP, or Emotionally Disturbed Person, rather than someone who'd had too much to drink.
I wonder if UA will offer any sort of compensation to the people on the flight. After all, it surely was an unpleasant experience for them.



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4515 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6395 times:

"The aircraft landed at the gate without incident," he said.

Miracles never cease. United must be testing one of Boeing's new, unannounced "short-field" performance 777-200's, designed to slow from landing speed to 0kts in 36.4 ft.  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineBosugadl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6377 times:

If ya can't duck it F_ck it

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8309 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6275 times:

I don't see what this guy did wrong. Maybe he had a fear of flying? The people who subdued him must be awefully jumpy. I agree this guy's gunna have UA in court soon- and rightfully so.


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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13643 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6234 times:
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The people who subdued him must be awefully jumpy. I agree this guy's gunna have UA in court soon- and rightfully so.

Spare me. The guy disobeyed crewmember instructions, which is a violation of federal law. He then took a swing at someone, who retaliated and then a U.S. Customs officer placed him under arrest, handcuffing him.

Absolutely no rights were violated here. The guy brought everything on himself.



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6241 times:

I don't see what this guy did wrong. Maybe he had a fear of flying? The people who subdued him must be awefully jumpy. I agree this guy's gunna have UA in court soon- and rightfully so.

I don't know ... based on Brick's post, which in turn is taken from someone who was on the flight, it sounds as if the man in question became progressively more agitated and finally lost it completely. He sounds much more like someone who is severely disturbed emotionally than your run-of-the-mill fearful flyer. His final outburst certainly did seem to call for physical intervention.
Which isn't to say, of course, that he won't end up suing UA, given the nature of the U.S. legal system.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8309 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6206 times:

For some reason Brick's post escaped me. I just read it, and yeah it does seem like the guy's got some screws loose. Neat how passengers protect their airplane like that ever since 9/11, though.


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User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

If anything, it seems to me like this passangers was given to many chances, to get his act together.

User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

Brick,
Thanks for the post, you made a lot of issues clear. What are the chances of someone on this forum knowing a person on the plane and yet even a few rows behind the incident.
thanks brick.


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User currently offlineCOboeing777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

I couldn't help but notice Brick's mention that two "big and burley" men stood by to guard the exit doors everytime the disturbed gentleman got up. Sure would have been a shame to see this wackjob escape by opening one of the exit doors inflight. Way to go "burly" guys!

25 ILoveORD : "He sounds like he was somewhat emotionally disturbed but not dangerous. I figure he'll be filing a false-arrest lawsuit against UA within a month or
26 Ual777contrail : ILOVEORD, Spoken like a true money hungry lawyer, trying to find reason to justify what he did. If he was on the ground walking on pier or at the mall
27 ILoveORD : Woah, woah UAL777. The part about the UA flight benefits was a joke; notice the "he he" and "J/k" (just kidding). But seriously, I do think the passen
28 PROSA : Now, I read the link to the article at the top of the thread BUT I will not take into account some unconfirmed second-hand account from some guy (ie B
29 Freakfor747 : give it up for duct tape!!!!!!!!!!!!
30 ILoveORD : Prosa my friend, you just proposed a very big "If." Pardon my skepticism, but I don't usually give much credence to "I heard from a friend [or co-work
31 Startvalve : Sounds like the guy got on the wrong flight.. He was supposed to be on southwest with the other loud and obnoxious travelers... Here is the real quest
32 StevenUhl777 : ILoveORD: Sounds like you've got the first few arguments ready for your opening statements at trial! Ugghhh...give me a break, please. %$#&^ Trial law
33 PROSA : Prosa my friend, you just proposed a very big "If." Pardon my skepticism, but I don't usually give much credence to "I heard from a friend [or co-work
34 PROSA : Sounds like the guy got on the wrong flight.. He was supposed to be on southwest with the other loud and obnoxious travelers That's an absurd stereoty
35 Wannabe : So ILoveOrd, At what point should the passenger be subdued? When the box cutter comes out? When he starts attacking the cockpit door? When he takes a
36 HlywdCatft : I bet several of you right now would be screaming that this guy was wronged if he did the exact same thing but was a Muslim and reading out of the Qur
37 ILoveORD : Ok, I think I see what’s happening here: there are two camps developing on this issue about dealing with rowdy passengers. Some folks feel that almo
38 PROSA : Ok, I think I see what’s happening here: there are two camps developing on this issue about dealing with rowdy passengers. Some folks feel that almo
39 Aerobalance : ILoveORD, If you could, please refresh my memory, I don't have my copy of the current AIM/FAR's at my desk at this moment, but..... Who is allowed aut
40 Post contains images ILoveORD : I don't know Aerobalance, I don't have a copy of the AIM/FAR book. However, I did find a good article from the findlaw.com website that deals with thi
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