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F-BPJK Incident - The Pics That Prove It!  
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8041 times:

A long time ago there was a debate on whether the substance visible in the interior of this aircraft was blood or not :
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/325274/L/
I told you about that the more "graphic" pictures were rejected by a.net as they were judged "inappropriate".
They are now up and running on another site that I will not plug nor name...do a little search with F-BPJK...the pics speak for themselves.
Will



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
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User currently offlineDanielbk From Israel, joined Feb 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7756 times:

I looked at the pictures you are talking of (i think)..

i don't think it's blood. blood doesn't remain bright red for long. it becomes dark "brown-raddish" after a short wile.
it looks like a smear of a red liquid, but i doubt it's really blood.

just my two cents.



cockpit? it's that little room in the front of the plane where the pilots seat.. but that's not important now
User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7699 times:

I go with Daniel. This aircraft has clearly not flown a long time, the color just isn't right.
"The cabin is a mess": Well that figures, there breaking up the aircraft, who cares what it looks like.
BTW: did you notice the first row in the last picture?? Facing backward, didn't remember that...

Peter


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

I have to agree with above posts. Decade-old blood stains would look brownish-dark or would have probably already decomposed. So either this is just color, supposed to be a very bad joke by some vandals, who have entered the aircraft - or signs of a recent satanic orgy.  Big grin



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7636 times:

One should also think that a rescue team would take great care to mop up any evidence of a tragedy before leaviong the scene. Just remember how quick airlines are to paint out their name and logo on damaged aircraft after an accident.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7498 times:

Having been inside the aircraft myself, I confirm that I don't know what are those stains.

Blood ? Maybe, but then, maybe not...

707


User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

...do a little search with F-BPJK...

I did. There's nothing on AirDisaster.com, ASN, PlanecrashInfo etc.

Peter


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7403 times:

Dispatch: there is a web site dedicated to jetphotos. 'Nuff said. Big grin




Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlinePetrouchka From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

Take a look here:
http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=F-BPJK

It's a toss up... yes, in some pics the "blood" is abnormally red for it's age (the plane was taken out of service in March 1993, so the "incident" is over 10 years old), but in others it does have the appropriate aged brown look. Take a look at the F/O area in the cockpit shots... looks like dried blood in some of those.

Quite a puzzle. Anyone know the full story behind this aircraft? It's history is proving elusive.


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7170 times:

William/UTA,

I'd watch yourself. The authorities may be calling by your house one of these days.  Big grin




Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7132 times:

...except that I got inside that aircraft legally, not like certain a.net members that I shall not name (shame) Big grin
Will



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 966 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6951 times:

F/O side really looks like blood... but the cabin area stains are to vivid to be 10 years old...and if someone was injuried perhaps the blood would be spread out on a bigger area...

If it is blood anyway, I would easier believe that some worker got in troubles during the dismantling of the plane (skin x sharp metal edges) than some passenger 10 years ago.

Cheers

RS



"ad astra per aspera"
User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6919 times:

I dont see this so called blood

User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Oh Christ, here is the damn picture for all you scared people.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=149591

People post jetphotos pics in the photography forum all the time.

Second, I wouldn't say anything about the color being wrong. We ALL know what photographers do to the colors in their pics, and that just might apply here.

Personally, it does look like blood, and the color could be enhanced in photoshop. Is it really blood? Not sure.



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6752 times:

On the .. OTHER ... site, it says that "She is said to have suffered a heavy inflight depressurisation prior to her removal from service.".. is there no proof of the matter? This looks like she's beibg broken up, and if there WAS a heavy depressurisation, wouldn't there be records of it????

Now, in that pic of the FO area, it DOES kind of look like blood near the window, BUT like has been said, it could not be that color after 10 years. and the positioning of it makes it harder to believe some scrap-worker cut themselves. Could it be a kind of rusting?

Also, one of the pictures mentions it as being a Training Frame now. Could it be part of some mock-up?

Now, looking at another angle, it DOES look like blood. but much fresher then 10 years..

Ok, this one freaks me out. In the picture labeled : "No Comment" There is part of what looks like a bloody hand-print.. geez

I'd certainly like to know what REALLY happened on here, and why no one anywhere can seem to figure it out..

Chris



Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5632 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

I highly doubt it's blood. There's the fact that the incident happened a decade before the pictures were taken. In addition, the workers who dismantled the interior surely would have cleaned up any visible blood stains as the first order of business, if for no other reason than they wouldn't have wanted to spend any more time than necessary working in a bloodstained environment.


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6676 times:

...now you know why they were rejected in the first place Big grin
I have even more "graphic" ones; i.e blood on oxygen masks etc...maybe I'll put them on too...depends if you want to see more of it (you SICK people  Big thumbs up)
Will



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

I completely agree that it's fun to theorize about some conspiracy to hush up an unsavory, inflight incident, but come on: this is the highly regulated world of civil aviation here. Unless the French aviation authorities are decidedly laissez faire when it comes to safety, I just don't see how there could be any way that this incident has escaped noticed. Besides, if dozens of passengers/crew members were injured to the point of explosive bleeding by a decompression incident, surely someone would have talked about it. Besides, the plane was 25 years old when it was removed from service. Not that old, but no spring chicken either.

That said, I think it is blood, at least on the F/O's panel.  Smile

[Edited 2003-09-15 16:15:16]


New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

the blood is probably from a mechanic who cut his hand dismantling the aircraft recently

User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5490 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6552 times:

Honestly it looks way too fresh (like it just dripped down the wall etc).

Now Will....are you sick enough to cut your hand open and smear blood on the walls for extra hits??  Big thumbs up

God knows I would!  Big grin

Justin


User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6473 times:

don't go giving me some good ideas - i know quite a few preserved aircraft in which I could have access to the interior Big grin
Will



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Somethign I hadnt seen earlier; the blood ont he F/O panel looks more real than on the bulkhead in the other pictures.


Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6246 times:

Yes it does look more real.. But its definitely not been there for 10 years, there is no way it'd still be that colour.

Just another shameless attempt to get hits eh William  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Definitely shameless ! And on another site !!!

shame on him...

707


User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2578 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6148 times:
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So has these blood explosions happened on other aircraft that went through depressurization? Where would the blood "explode" from? And it looks too fake for 10 years plus and explosion wouldn't drip it would be more like a circle. Honestly it looks like paint.

25 Aviatortj : Looks like blood on the flight deck. But definitely not on the bulkhead. My blood is not that bright! ~TJ
26 Post contains images AOMlover : "...except that I got inside that aircraft legally, not like certain a.net members that I shall not name (shame) " so what ? there were holes in the f
27 N844AA : I remember in a previous thread about this, someone suggest doing a test to determine whether the substance was in fact blood. Did anyone ever get aro
28 PeachAir : I bet you somone was goofing off in that aircraft WAYYYYY after the incident (I can just picture two drunken teens in there) and fell down and cit the
29 Sovietjet : -N844AA It's true I remember someone who proposed a chemical experiment but I'm not sure who fill us in.
30 Post contains images Tom in NO : All you armchair criminologists have it wrong: I'm guessing that when the scrappers began cutting, the airplane began bleeding. Sounds like a new case
31 N766UA : The stuff in the cabin looks like someone's pen exploded on the wall...
32 Prebennorholm : It cannot be determined to be blood ten years after the incident. But if the plane ran head first into a plane devasting thunderstorm, and (as usual)
33 Post contains links Dispatch : I, together with my very best friend, have come to the following conclusion: About ten to twelve years ago, Mr. Will UTA entered the cockpit of this a
34 Prebennorholm : Good job Mr. Holmes!!! Knowing every tiny little detail I will now sleep much better.
35 UTA_flyinghigh : With the near or sub-zero temperatures we have at NCY during 5 months of the year (at least at night), wouldn't the redness of the blood be conserved
36 707cmf : Yes, and what about the 30 something degrees (Celcius) we have for about 3 months at NCY ? And the cabin is nowhere near being hermetically close, sin
37 Thunder9 : How about this for a possible explanation? This airframe is now being used as a 'training airframe' but for what kind of training? Is it possible that
38 Wannabe : Any chance is was used to film a movie or TV show?
39 UTA_flyinghigh : It was used as a training frame in the 90's but not anymore; and I don't think a movie or anything was ever shot with this airplane. Will
40 MEA-707 : The people telling this decompression incident are trying to create a new urban legend. I think they purpuously put red paint there to have an interes
41 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Firstly, Mr. MEA, NCY is Annecy and not Nancy which is way up in the northeast of France. Secondly, 707cmf, AOMlover and myself have all been inside t
42 SegmentKing : Blood does not drip like paint does, which is what it looks like in my opinion. Blood would eventually dry up and turn a dark brown... and in all the
43 Post contains images 707cmf : Okay. I have myself a few pics of the insides of this aircraft, I'll upload them on "the other site" (don't want to flood the quality of this one ), a
44 Post contains links UTA_flyinghigh : Hey everyone, 707cmf has some new pics up and running showing the extent of the devastation : http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=F-BPJK
45 Post contains links UTA_flyinghigh : Compare with the original pics : http://www.airliners.net/open.file/325274/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/343378/L/ http://www.airliners.net/op
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