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AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN  
User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1074 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

It certainly looks like the 757 & 738 fleets are undergoing a major shift in order to place 757s primarily in leisure markets.

Play around on AA.com and check it out.. Where there were once 757's on most business destinations, will soon be 738's and M80's.

That's pretty cool.. although not so cool I guess if you're going on vacation somewhere.

Looks like the LRTC on the 757's makes a bit more sense.. Although still not the best move in my opinion.

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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

That sounds like a very reasonable thing to do. The majority of the business travelers I know who fly AA when they have a choice particularly enjoy doing so because of MRTC. After marketing that, and continuing to do so despite the 757 and A300 conversion, I think they'd run a very real risk of alienating the business market by using LRTC 757's on business routes.


New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

I have never quite figured out if they convert ALL THE 757's to LRTC, how in the heck are they going to use them all in just leisure markets???To me this just does not make sense.

As a business traveller that has enjoyed MRTC quite a it, I'm going to be real peeved about having to sardine style in a 757 just because BUSINESS takes me to " a leisure destination".

I would think that converting somewhere around half of the 757 fllet would more than suffice for routes that compete with Song, JB or whomever.

I still like a MRTC 757 from say ORD to LAX or BOS to LAX.

The changing of the 757 fleet(And A-300)combined with more retirements of the F-100, reassignments of ex-TWA MD-80's ought to make for some interesting schedules.

Does anyone know if all the temporarly mothballed 762's will be back in service by next spring, or even this changeover in January?



User currently offlineN951U From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

It looks like DFW F-100 is ending in January as well.... all the Fokkers will be up at Chicago before going to pasture.

As a business traveller that has enjoyed MRTC quite a it, I'm going to be real peeved about having to sardine style in a 757 just because BUSINESS takes me to " a leisure destination".

Amen. Those of us living in Florida have to deal with the "leisure travel" mentality when trying to go anywhere.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

AA already sends a ton of 757s into MCO

User currently offlineN951U From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Interesting... playing around with the January schedule:

DFW B757 destinations: PHX, LAS, ONT, LGB, MCO, MIA, TUL (4 times a day!), SJO, SAN, LIM, SJU, CUN, FLL, HDN, EGE.

Traditional 757 cities like SNA get the B737-800.... I believe the DFW B737 base is finally opening in January for American (currently no DFW-based 738 crews... lots of MIA-based flying through Dallas).

Doesn't look like much of a surprise, except Lima which isn't really a pleasure destination. San Jose (CR) is more and more leisure as tourism grows in that country.

Miami 757 is a little more frustrating. I wish that American would keep some in MRTC for Central/South America like Quito, Lima, Medellin, etc.

Chicago 757 destinations: SJU, FLL, CUN, LAS, JAC, EGE, PHX, MCO, MIA.

Los Angeles 757's are only going to Florida and Lihue.

A few JFK transcons still will run with the 757... Long Beach, San Diego, San Jose, Seattle, and John Wayne, which is a bit frustrating. Thanks, jetBlue. Same with Boston to San Jose and San Fran.

What's left of the STL hub... 757 to Phoenix, Vegas, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Orlando.


User currently offlineScott4AA From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

Why does TUL get 4 x 757? Not that I am complaining or anything, this is great news! They replace 3 Eagle flights.


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User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Gotta be for maintenance reasons. Not sure... Wonder if the reconfiguration process is being done in TUL...

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

From Miami, all flights to Providenciales, Grand Cayman, Bridgetown, and Aruba will be 757-200s. However, Kingston will get two 738s now.

San Juan-Caracas also becomes a 757, and Miami-Los Angeles is down to only one 757 flight, the rest widebodies, including the only International Flagship service offered by AA on a domestic flight (AA 245/248).



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

Does this mean that All NYC flights to LA will be 767's? (including EWR)


"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

2 years ago i took the 757 from TUL-DFW. They only had that flight 1 time a day, now they have 4....What are they thinking? I dont think they are gonna have enough people to fill the seats? I hope im wrong though. I kinda wish i still lived in Tulsa now, i could fly the 757 everytime i went back to DFW instead of the (borring, but GREAT) MD-80.

User currently offlineN951U From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Does this mean that All NYC flights to LA will be 767's? (including EWR)

Yes
JFK-LAX
9 x B767-200

EWR-LAX
1 x B767-300
2 x B737-800


Tulsa to Dallas is interesting.....
4 x MD-80
4 x B757
3 x CRJ-700

With a F-100 and three MD-80 to Chicago/O'Hare. Perhaps it is helping make up for the lack of STL service (5 x MD-80 at present time I believe)?


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

WOW! The first time EWR gets to see the AA 738! Thanks N951U!


"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1074 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

Looks like DFW-LAS will be a 757 soon too.. not too surprising considering HP fills their 752's to the gills to vegas from DFW.


[Edited 2003-09-16 02:39:44]

User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

"Boeing 757 Leisure Liner."

CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4595 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4118 times:


WOW! The first time EWR gets to see the AA 738! Thanks N951U!


Just when it looked like EWR would finally get more than 1 AA 767 a day to LAX (Nov+Dec features 2 763s per day), they go ahead and change to 738s!

Now, the 738 is a great plane, but I wouldn't want to fly transcon on ANY 737...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

From Miami, lots of additional capacity to the Caribbean now as a whole bunch of flights are now becoming 757s. The exceptions are the "premium" Caribbean markets. Namely St. Croix, Curacao, and Casa de Campo. Kingston and Santiago also are 738s only. Grand Cayman and Cancun have a mix of MRTC 738s and LRTC 752s, while San Juan has one 763, but the rest are A300s and 757s. To Central America it is LRTC only to Managua, Tegucigalpa, and San Jose. It is MRTC only everywhere else. To South America, it is LRTC to Guayquil, Quito, Lima, La Paz, Santa Cruz, Medellin, and Cali. Caracas and Bogota have a mix. Everything else is MRTC. Also from Miami, domestic routes are being shifted around. Orlando becomes LRTC-exclusive, same with all but one Tampa flight, while MIA-LAX has only one LRTC flight. San Francisco, Baltimore, and Philadelphia have MRTC coach flights to feed the deep South America destinations, LRTC everywhere else. Newark is LRTC coach exclusive (all A300s!), so is Vail (Saturday 757), while JFK has only one MRTC service (3-class 762 flight). However, Boston, LaGuardia, Chicago, St. Louis, and Dallas are pretty much exactly split, with half of the flights to each destination being LRTC and half being MRTC. Washington (National and Dulles) has only one of it's ten dailies with LRTC. All flights to Europe, Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta, Hartford, Cleveland, Charlotte, Raleigh, and Denver, as well as the new flights to Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and Minneapolis, are MRTC. Eagle destinations (two in Ohio, three in Florida, four in the Bahamas) are, as always, standard fare.




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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

PHL will see 2 more 757's
Current schedule is MIA 1x757 and 2x738 and SJU 1x738 and 1x757
New schedule will be MIA 2x757 and 1x738 and SJU 2x757


User currently offlineAA7771stClass From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 296 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

I was on a 757 into TUL just last week and amazingly enough, it was fairly full. I used OneStop and had to take a middle seat as all the aisles and windows had already been chosen. However, there is no way that TUL can support 4 of them a day much less all the supplemental MD80s and CRJs. The only reason that they would be flying that many flights there is for a) maintenance (perhaps MCI is in trouble and they're moving all narrow-body to TUL) and b) staff transport. I imagine that there's quite a bit of staff travel between DFW and TUL... Just my thoughts...

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5703 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

I think its awesome that we get the 757's back on some of the cities for STL like MCO, and FLL, once 757's now turned into S80's and now back up to the 757's again. What really surpised me was that AA is having a 757 for STL-PHX, wonder if its deemed succesful, AWA will upgrade the 733 and A319 to the 757?? Same thing for LAS as it will be a new destination served for STL from America West. I wonder is this in retaliation for AWA adding flights and cities out of STL to PHX and LAS???? Just something to think about.

Alex.



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

I think its awesome that we get the 757's back on some of the cities for STL like MCO, and FLL, once 757's now turned into S80's and now back up to the 757's again.

With the new schedule, St. Louis will still have the same number of 757s flights as they will on 1 November with the new schedule. Phoenix and Lauderdale gain 757s, but Miami looses one, so does Cancun.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5703 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

actually according to NOV schedule, we will only have 1 flight N/S to FLL and its scheculed with an MD-80, unless that was changed?? for MIA we are scheudled to have 2 N/S to MIA with a 757 down from 2 with an S80. PHX, correct me if I am wrong but we never had a 757 on the STL-PHX with AA, unless they kept it from TWA???

Alex.

[Edited 2003-09-16 05:10:08]


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User currently offlineCMK10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

I'll drink to that N62A, I once had to do a Continental 737-300 from EWR-PHX with a 35 minute holding pattern over New Mexico it became a five hour flight the equivilent of a coast to coast transcon, ugly stuff.
DC-10's Forever



"Traveling light is the only way to fly" - Eric Clapton
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Here's how it stands for STL and 757s.

On 19 November 2003:
DFW (21x weekly)
MIA (14x weekly)
SJU (2x weekly)
CUN (1x weekly)
LAX (18x weekly)
TOTAL: 56 weekly

On 19 January 2004:
MCO (7x weekly)
MIA (7x weekly)
SJU (2x weekly)
FLL (7x weekly)
DFW (7x weekly)
LAS (14x weekly)
DFW (2x weekly)
PHX (7x weekly)
TOTAL: 54 weekly



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User currently offlineStock1985 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3767 times:

Everyone seems to forget that Tulsa is a large market for American. We will definitely need the extra capacity of over 200 seats per flight on each of those 757's as American took all of our (5!!!) SP 80 flights away this November. These flights were always quite full, and the connection times through St. Louis were extremely efficient, we will all miss that. I assure you all that the 11 flights to DFW will all be packed! Just wait, I wouldn't be surprised to see some more destinations opened out of TUL.... Miami, LAX, LGA, JFK??? I could definitely see MIA on a CRJ 700 for the connections and all those cruisers, and a return to the LAX service which was always full on the MD 80, but with a more frequent CRJ service could offer many more convenient options. A New York option would also be nice to compete with EWR on CO.

25 Tekelberry : AA is probably just sending the 757s to TUL to get them refitted at their maintenance base there while making some money by running pax ops at the sam
26 BHMNONREV : Looks as if the shift in STL is just normal late winter schedule tweaking... On Feb 1, 757's are as follows: LAS-2 daily FLL-1 daily MCO-2 daily MIA-1
27 727LOVER : In TPA, we only see ex-TW 757. Will that change?
28 B752fanatic : Why AA is taking a B767-300 ER MIA-BOG? That was a B757/A300 route. Is it that they have spare 767's?
29 MAH4546 : American has always used a 767-300ER to Bogota for a long time. Lots of premium class demand to fill the front cabin.
30 Milemaster : The 757 flights to TUL are (as mentioned above) most likely for AA mx and the vast numbers of AA employees that work at the maint. base as well as the
31 AA777MIA : Username: B752fanatic From United States, joined Jul 2003, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply: 28 Posted Tue Sep 16 2003 17:57:45 UTC+1 and read 253 times: Why AA
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