Osteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6547 times:
The year 2003 has been a remarkable year for the A320 Family, the leader in the single-aisle market. This family has now earned its place in the record books as the most successful aircraft family ever with over 3,000 aircraft sold. Over 2,000 A320 Family aircraft are now in-service, a number unmatched in the history of civil jet aviation, making it the most popular jetliner ever.
GKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6476 times:
The fact isthat over 3000 (or 4000) 737s have been built/sold, so the Airbus claim that making it the most popular jetliner ever.
is total crap.
Maybe its got the most in service atm, but that doesnt make it the most popular.
Airbus propoganda again
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DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 30 Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6425 times:
GLA MD11 From France, joined Mar 2000, 275 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6383 times:
I am not pro or against Airbus but I think they are right: Over 2,000 A320 Family aircraft are now in-service. Even if Boeing has built 3000 737, they are far from having them all in service (I think about 1800 are in service nowadays).
Peace.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 30 Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6358 times:
Yes, I see your point. The word "successful" can be used and interpreted in many different ways. . .especially on A.net.
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Kempa From Brazil, joined Aug 2003, 372 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6077 times:
My 11-year old son is learning about statistics, and especially, the "misuse of statistics". Depending on how the statement is written, the B737 family, or the A320, or the DC-3 could be the most "successful" airliner ever built.
Truth is, having flown on both the B737 and the A320 families, there is no big difference for the passenger.
Beltwaybandit From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 495 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6013 times:
What about the combined DC-9/MD80/MD90/717 fleet? Anyone have numbers on that?
Elwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6012 times:
Dispatch:
You beat me to it. The DC-3 sold more than 10,300 copies both as a civilian airliner and as the C-47. At one time, more than 5,000 were in service with airlines around the world.
However, the statement was that the A-320 was the most successful jetliner in history. I have problems with that. More than 4,000 737s have been built, and about 2,500 DC-9/MD-80/90/717-200s (976 DC-9, 1200+? MD-80 and MD-90, and over 125 717) have entered service since 1967. The A-320 has a long way to go in both instances.
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N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6006 times:
Beltwaybandit: I tallied up those totals once (which I've since misplaced) but as I recall, the total number of DC-9's and its variants was somewhere around 2000.
I'll see if I can dig up my calculations.
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Aloha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2304 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5986 times:
I think true success is measured over the long term. The 70 year old DC-3 and 30+ year old 737 and DC-9 families have proved their worth far more than the A-320 family has. The A-320 may have a case in 2020 when they have a comparable track record.
It isn't purely the number of airframes built, it is how that design performs and evolves over time.
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Osteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5968 times:
Thanks for the additional information. Well at least Airbus can say that they have the fastest selling aircraft of all times. I was especially impressed by this statement:
The rapid expansion of the A320 Family is reflected in the production rate with one A320 Family aircraft coming out of the Airbus assembly lines in Toulouse and Hamburg every working day.
Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5890 times:
The B747, not any aircraft has brought in so much money for it´s manufacturer like this birds has (B747 was a great promoter for other Boeing planes as well)....
N757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 425 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5873 times:
My two cents on this is, I think the A-320 family in time will surpass the B737 family.
However, it has a long way to go before Airbus will surpass the DC-3/C-47.
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Dionysus From Thailand, joined Aug 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5847 times:
Yes, Boeing has sold more 737s than Airbus has sold their A32Xs.
It depends on how you would define "successful". However it is unfair to say that 737 is the more successful than A32Xs. As already mentioned by AirbusLover, when did 737 production started? and when did A32X?
Mark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5816 times:
Lot of interesting answers and criteria, posted here.
For me though the B737 family has got to be the "best-selling jetliner family" of all time, both right now and likely for many many years to come (ie until such time as the A32Xs maybe will catch up).
Ual747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5791 times:
While one can argue that the Airbus has produced more examples in a shorter amount of time than the 737, you also have to remember that the A320 was born into a much more favorable market to sell more examples. Simply put, I would venture a guess that there are MANY more people flying these days than those of which the 737 was born into. But again, to make comparisons between these two aircraft is purely subjective. There are too many factors involved to find out which one is TRUELY more sucessful. Airbus's claim is basically THEIR subjective analysis.
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25 Qwerty: Truth is, having flown on both the B737 and the A320 families, there is no big difference for the passenger. There's quite a difference. I don't know
26 Corsair2: The DC-9 family has been incredibly successful to still be flying some large fleets (NW, Midwest) after 37 years of service. And they will make it ove
27 Behramjee: We all know that the B 737 is the most successful family of aircraft ever, so why not make this forum more interesting by asking which family of aircr
28 Ual747: Probably the most accurate comparisons you could do would be between the 777 and the A340/330 families, and possibly the MD-11 although we know what t
29 N844AA: I think it'll be quite some time before the A320 even comes close to surpassing the 737's production total. A bit over 4400 737's have been produced a
30 Ual747: Not to mention that the 737 is continuing production, which may keep the gap wide open. But eventually, the market will become saturated with A32X's a
31 Stefandotde: lol@Ual747 - what about 320? Airbus stopped production? Since how many years Boeing produces 737? Since how many years Airbus produces 320? And you ca
32 Greg: Actually, you can bend the stats even further..cause the 73NG has, in fact, sold faster than the 320....(about same number of frames over less years).
33 Stefandotde: Greg, I am sure, Boeing will confirm that. And you can be sure that I don't believe the confirmation from Boeing (or Airbus). You are talking about th
34 Danny: Yes guys - count 737-200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900 but only A320 not 319 etc. See - you may manipulate this as you want. It is a cliche like:
35 CitationJet: Since the topic is AIRCRAFT and not AIRLINER, and if you consider "successful" to mean the most quantity built, I suggest that the Cessna 172 should b
36 Aloha717200: One of the funniest things I see is that if you go to the Airbus website, they announce themselves as the industry leader in commercial airplanes. If
37 OE-LDA: Just select the criteria right and each one of us can be "world record holder", "world champion", "best of all times", and so on. Therefore the questi
38 StefanDotDe: lol@ Aloha. That is why I told Greg: "And you can be sure that I don't believe the confirmation from Boeing (or Airbus)."
39 Cfalk: This data is about 1 month old. 737 Family Built : 3,132 (classic), 1,344 (NG), Total: 4,476 Total Built + Outstanding firm orders : 5,308 Built since
40 Ual747: Stefandotde, Again you have failed to see my point. Whether it's a language barrier or something else, I don't know. "lol@Ual747 - what about 320? Air
41 Elwood64151: Stefandotde: The fact that the A320 has sold more examples in the same period of time is still a subjective analysis. Comparing the DC-9 family to the
42 Scorpio: Technically, Airbus is right. You see, they compare the number of A32X planes produced not to the total number of 737s, but to the three different gen
43 AvObserver: Osteogenesis, I generally respect your posts but you and others, here, who embark on accolading a manufacturer based solely on their own hype must be
44 Birdwatching: What do you define as a family? Isn't 727 and 757 more similar than 737-100 and 737-900?
45 STT757: "Isn't 727 and 757 more similar than 737-100 and 737-900?" No.
46 Cfalk: Technically, Airbus is right. You see, they compare the number of A32X planes produced not to the total number of 737s, but to the three different gen
47 Aloha717200: I agree with Cfalk. And, if we're all going to call for equal comparison, and ask that the numbers of the A321 and A319 sales be included in compariso
49 Shenzhen: Service Entry Dates 737NG.......98 (Dec 97) A32X.........88 Units delivered just over 5 years 737NG 1344+(300+ classics 1998-2000) total 1644+ just ov
50 Killerbabe: their are four successful Aircraft family's: Boeing 737 family ( -100 all the way to -900) Airbus A320 serie MDC DC9/MD80/MD90 serie and les: Fokker F
51 Osteogenesis: Username: AvObserver Osteogenesis, I generally respect your posts but you and others, here, who embark on accolading a manufacturer based solely on th
52 DoorsToManual: Osteogenesis, you are just being provocative & I hoped some members would be more mature than to play these silly "oh look, let's say Airbus is the be
53 RayChuang: If you include all variants of the 737 family, the 737 is FAR more successful than the A320 Family of planes. After all, the 737 has been operational
54 HlywdCatft: **Thanks for the additional information. Well at least Airbus can say that they have the fastest selling aircraft of all times. I was especially impre
55 Osteogenesis: Those where not all airliners. I think airbus meant airliners. There where 31.887 Me 109 build.
56 Usairwys757: There isnt even an aircraft family taht has been nearly as succesful as the B737. I love the way they look, there design i believe can never look outd
57 SSTjumbo: Assuming Airbus meant what they said, that is, most popular aircraft family, I believe the Piper Cub family of aircraft numbered well over 30,000 unti
58 AvObserver: Osteogenesis, thanks for reflecting on my comments and sorry if it appeared the brunt of my annoyance was with you-it wasn't. It's with the PR folks a
59 ARGinMIA: Simply math.. divide the number of 737's that where produced by the amount of years they'v been sold.. i guess 1969? Now divide the number of 320's by
60 AvObserver: I'm sure someone can. Oh, I DO believe the A320 family is the fastest selling line, I just wish they'd said THAT instead of an unabashed falsehood. No
61 AvObserver: Osteogenesis, after reflecting on my posts here, I must offer you a heartfelt apology for my conduct-I was way too hard on you. You meant well and I w
62 Shenzhen: ""Osteogenesis, after reflecting on my posts here, I must offer you a heartfelt apology for my conduct-I was way too hard on you. You meant well and I
63 VonRichtofen: One thing that is still not known... And that is durability of Airbus aircraft. Boeing has proven its quality with many classics over 20 years old sti
64 Osteogenesis: AvObserver, Osteogenesis, after reflecting on my posts here, I must offer you a heartfelt apology for my conduct-I was way too hard on you. You meant
65 L-188: For once, both the Airburst and the Boring fans are equally wrong. Remember the topic is the most successful aircraft Family....Not Airline....As some
66 Shenzhen: “Airbus has had no accident so far that has been proved to be caused by airplane malfunction”. One really shouldn't be bringing up accidents......
67 Stefandotde: Shenzhen: "But, why do A300 tails and engines fall off in New York?" Maybe bad maintenance. Remember couple of DC 10-accidents in the 70's when engine
69 Osteogenesis: Shenzhen One really shouldn't be bringing up accidents........... But, why do A300 tails and engines fall off in New York? So far the NTSB has no offi
70 Shenzhen: Ost, I could go on and on about accidents, but thought that it really wasn't very good to do so. If a pilot can kick a rudder and the vertical stab fa
71 Osteogenesis: Put on your blinders and go on with your day. I also wish you a very nice day. Axx hxxe Such sequential opposite rudder inputs, even when a rudder lim
72 Osteogenesis: I already said it was wrong. I also said I wanted to be proven wrong on this point. I recommend you stop bitching around and start reading the report.
74 Osteogenesis: What about the Concorde?[Edited 2003-09-19 14:52:50]
75 HlywdCatft: Airbus had a lot of problems at first with the computers on the A320. Remember the crash at the Paris Airshow? Then there was a couple other incidents
76 Stefandotde: Osteo - I think it's the best not to ask Shenzhen again. I fear he is a little agressive, arrogant and cynical today. Bad mix.
77 Embraer145: Check download the several spreadsheets and at the bottom of each spreadsheet you will see the exact number of aircraft build of the type on the sprea
78 Embraer145: Third time>>> What went wrong, I use the ?? the URL is http://www.airlinerlist.com
79 Stefandotde: Embraer: "By the way..........WHY ALWAYS the battle between Airbus and Boeing." You are totally right - I think this theme has got more and more child
80 Shenzhen: """Embraer: "By the way..........WHY ALWAYS the battle between Airbus and Boeing." You are totally right - I think this theme has got more and more ch
81 VC-10: This thread is going nowhere, covering the some old ground for the umpteenth time.
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