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Concorde Diverted?  
User currently offlineQantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3883 times:

BAA.com is saying the inbound from JFK has been diverted, anyone know what is happening?


Matt


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User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3871 times:

It has been diverted to Cardiff. No more info yet.

DC-10


User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3819 times:

I just rang the airport and told that it was divert due to a 'technical problem' ... hopefully nothing too serious!
Regards,
Shaun



All together or not at all
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

Sounds like a surge, BA have a maint facility at CWL, so we could send a team there, or do a ferry flight to LHR.
Must have been late in the flight, otherwise it would have been back to JFK or another N.American diversion.


User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

Damn, didn't this just happen on the 6th?

Brian - SPOT THIS!


User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

It seems to be happening much more frequently now for some reason. It's been all over Sky News, they said:

"We'll keep you updated on this story as the news breaks."

It's a technical problem for God's sake.

DC-10


User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

looks like some bad luck for concorde lately. hope everything is ok.


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

It's not so frequent, just that the media go overboard when it does happen.
However, it's landed safely, it can fly OK on 3 engines but more fuel burn at low speed entering into the busy stack at LHR is likely a factor.
But reliability generally would have been better in the last couple of years if we had flown the damn things more often!



User currently offlineKilavoud From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Sky news :

CONCORDE DIVERTED TO CARDIFF


A Concorde flight en route from New York to London has been diverted to Cardiff.

British Airways said the diversion was due to a technical problem and the landing was not an emergency.


All passengers were said to be safe and the passengers were being transported to London Heathrow by bus.

More to follow...


User currently offlineAirJamPanAm From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Where is Cardiff?
How long a bus ride is that going to be?



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User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

3.5 hours by bus.

Cardiff is in Wales, at the South Coast. Wales is in the South West of the UK - the big square peninsula and not the narrow triangular one (Cornwall)

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3260 times:


I do have to say that if I'm paying a sh!tload of money to fly Concorde, I would expect better than being bussed 3.5 hours!!


User currently offlineAirJamPanAm From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

Much obliged Ikarus...
HMMM
That makes the supersonic crossing a very swift oh lets say 7 hours?
Does BA compensate PAX for that diversion?
Concorde aint a cheap flight, and I assume one pays for the speed of crossing the pond.



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User currently offlineQantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

In this instance I would expect that the subsonic BA178 will be in LHR some time before the pax from BA2 even though they left JFK at similar times.


Matt



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Pax will be compensated, most are now on it to experience flying on Concorde now, BA001/002s are more like charters these days.
What do people suggest BA do? By the time they get an aircraft to CWL (if they have one and a crew to spare just like that) the pax could be back at LHR anyway.
Apparently, CWL is commonly used for diversions now, first Concorde one there I can recall however.
Not that any other ones ever make the news.


User currently offlineAirJamPanAm From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

Cardiff sounds like the armpits of that part of the UK!!!
3.5 by BUS????????
BA isn't even putting their "elite" passengers on another flight into civilization?
WOW
No wonder Virgin has em whipped!



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User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

Don't knock Cardiff, I'll be living there soon.... no armpit!  Big grin

50 minutes by air on Air Wales to LCY, but I suspect Concorde arrived after the last flight of the day... and Air Wales is one of the few UK airlines not owned by BA anyway.

Besides, they pay for the experience, not the speed, these days, so I doubt they'll be too miffed - perhaps even delighted to be able to add an extra element of excitement to their stories. (Of course, it'll be a full scale emergency landing by the time they tell their grand children, with fire coming out of the engines and big bangs audible in flight  Big grin )

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

I remember once ages ago when Concorde was diverted to Gatwick it flew right over my house. Shame i didn't have my camera handy

-Stephen


User currently offlineAirJamPanAm From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

My apologies Ikarus.. You are probably correct in that they may take it in stride as a part of the experience.
Once they get their bits in that coach that may change!
 Smile



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

BA may well have got some vehicles on the road to CWL before the BA002 even touched down, or have access to a local coach company.
There is a well planned procedure for these sorts of things, but better to divert to CWL, a civil airport, than the one previously used, RAF Brize Norton.


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

It seems that the media just cannot get enough of the (minor) problem's that Concorde faces, but don't ever report on the fact that hundreds of other flights on other types of a/c divert every day for one reason or another. A 777 or a 343 or whatever diverting would never even get a mention, but every single time Concorde diverts or has a problem, they jump up and report it, giving a false impression to the general public that the a/c is unsafe or something. The media really do annoy me sometimes.  Angry

 Smile



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User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

Leezyjet:
Now that it is certain that Concorde will retire, I wish they'd do it some more - a lot more in fact. Enough to scare those people with tickets into selling them for 1/20th of the prize on ebay so I can grab one...  Big grin

Perhaps a TV channel could do a "Daily Concorde Report" or something, showing every little fatigue crack in zoomed detail, showing the AF Concorde in Paris crashing over and over again, and inserting the TU144 images of Le Bourget (and claiming it was Concorde - the public won't notice the difference anyway)?

 Acting devilish

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Ikarus, if you've got enough cash you should look here http://www.airliners.net/buysell/readad.main?order=&searchstring=&nr_of_rows=27&fakeid=18.

Do they actually have concorde tickets on ebay then? I've never bothered to look.

Mark



Take a ride...fly across the sky
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

I could amuse myself with typing up daily reports from the Concorde hangar floor on here, scare the shit out of those who don't know what goes into making ANY aircraft safe to fly, plenty of copy for a often sensationalist, technically illiterate media too.
Just be a lot more of it with the rocket, with it's specialization, quirks, zero-tolerance to any kind of ergonomic design, lack of modern diagnostics, the virtual 'hand built' nature of the fleet, fun and games with spares, 'heritage' nature of much of the avionics and much else besides.
I think I know what caused tonight's diversion;
Some manager will have told everyone how well we are doing serviceability wise lately, I've seen it so many times, we all collectively think "Don't say that, the f****** aircraft in the hangar will hear you and decide to bite us!"
27 year Concorde veterans swear by this rule.
(To be serious for a moment, those highly experienced Concorde guys are, and always have been, the key to BA's operation).
We also make our own lives harder by very strictly keeping to the maintenance requirements, actually we usually go beyond them to be extra sure.
Still, it's a tough beast to run, no matter how hard you try they do (even today) still throw us challenges, curveballs, still causes a lot of experienced heads to come together and sort engineering problems out.
But we wouldn't have it any other way, after next month we'll miss it terribly, the challenges make for huge satisfaction when, as happens the vast majority of the time, the great white bird performs fantastically.
Despite everything, we are it's biggest fans.
I asked one guy what he thought about leaving Concorde, he said "Don't want to go back on 747s, no character, too big, it's like a block of flats with wings".


User currently offlineManairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

The BBC is reporting that the diversion was caused by an engine surge. Following attention from engineers the aircraft ferried to LHR. BA reports that the passengers and crew 'were not in danger at any time'.

25 FLYSSC : How far is Cardiff from LHR ??? Don't think it's THAT far, so if the Crew decided to divert, when being so close to the destination, it's was quite ce
26 Post contains images Whisperingiant : Hope you guys realise that (because BA are OF COURSE treating their high fare paying passengers extra-specially well) that the passenger transfer is b
27 Ikarus : FLYSCC: According to the news, they landed because the fuel consumption necessitated by subsonic flight would have made continuing to London risky. Re
28 FLYSSC : I know fuel consumption is really a problem with Concorde, I understand better now they diverted to Cardiff, if the "problem" occured at SS speed over
29 GDB : CWL seems to be the diversion of choice now, for all fleets. Diversions there are common, but only one aircraft type makes the news when it does diver
30 Donder10 : Mr Crelly added: "There was no communication we suddenly just dropped. The air crew suddenly packed everything up and told us the captain was very bus
31 AirJamPanAm : I knew there would be grumbling from some of those deep pocketed BA customers. The more BA tries to squeeze out of that tin can the more they run the
32 GDB : Absolute bollocks, if the media were not so ill-informed you'd know nothing about it. Engine surges happen on all aircraft, admittedly on Concorde it'
33 B2707SST : This may be a dumb question, but if Concorde experienced an engine surge, why didn't it simply continue at Mach 2 cruise? Isn't the intake/engine cont
34 AirJamPanAm : The final post for me on this topic.... Here you have from the BBC. Passengers were FURIOUS!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3118506.stm
35 Post contains images Ikarus : Of course they were furious, how else could they try and get as much compensation out of it as possible? Honestly, I think they were secretly thrilled
36 Post contains links GDB : Some pax were pissed, others were not, the forum on http://www.concordesst.com/ shows that, some posted what happened to them on there rather than cry
37 Post contains images Eg777er : 0-700mph in 4 minutes? F___ me. This aeroplane never ceases to amaze me, even after I've flown on it (did I mention that!? )
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