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Which Big Airlines Have The Worst Hubs?  
User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

Which big airlines operate out of the worst hubs? I think personally CO and EWR make for a pretty bad combonation.

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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

I think that AA & UA although have just as many problems if not more, just due to the congestion with all the other airlines that occupy the airport.


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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6296 times:

Probably SFO for UA...given the weather and flow control delays. I avoid that place whenever humanly possible. DEN and ORD aren't fun places to be during a winter storm, either.


User currently offlineArgento From Argentina, joined Feb 2000, 230 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6196 times:



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International terminal at night it is some of the worst place to connect another flight.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16825 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6180 times:

CO's EWR hub is their most profitable hub, it's also one of the most profitable hubs in the Country.

I would call CO's EWR hub a resounding success.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

EWR is a dump, though. It's definatly not my choice of an Atlantic gateway.


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User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

Exactly what i was referring to N766UA. I was meaning its in really bad shape and its very ugly.

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

EWR has the most transatlantic flts of any airline at a hub. Dump? The facilities in EWR are amazing.


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User currently offlineCanyonBlue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6057 times:

The old DTW terminal for NW was horrible. There new one is beautiful, a real treat to fly to

User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6713 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

CO's EWR facility is a gleaming palace compared to AA's hub facilities at MIA. Now *THAT* is what I call a dump.

AA's DFW terminals are poorly designed for hub operations but the interiors are in good shape.


User currently offlineSwissINTLA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5920 times:

NW's Minneapolis

UA's SFO and DEN



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

The old EWR may have been a dump, but I was just there last December, and the new rennovated Terminal C is a fabulous hub.

User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4382 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5851 times:

Ill put my 2 cents in here.

Old NW DTW was really horrible, this has now been resolved to say the least.

I hear many people from this area bitch and bitch about UA at ORD, but to me, the place is paradise. Guess its all in the eye of the beholder.

While SFO has its share of weather issues, after flying from all the terminals, i think UA T3 is the best of the domestic terminals by far, except arrivals late at night can get really busy. I think the worst by far UA hub would be IAD.






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User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5806 times:

Just curious SwissIntlA340, what don't you like about DEN? I have flown to quite a few airports, and it is easily my favorite. It's clean, modern, and nice to look at. I also think they do just as good of a job clearing snow as in MSP. Go figure.


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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5784 times:

I think we need to separate what hub is easy on the eyes architectually speaking, etc. vs. ease of use while in transit.

ORD and DEN terminals for UA are GREAT....but in a winter storm, last place I'd want to be...


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5751 times:

In some respects, Delta's hub @ ATL is not as great as it appears. With Delta operations all over the airport, on every concourse (this includes Delta Connection ops on C and D), long connections are common. If you have to transfer from T to E, you've got a long haul to get there. Even if your connection is one the same concourse as your inbound, you may have to trek from one end to the other, which is a good walk in itself.

User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6713 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

Not that I am a huge fan of ATL, but I think that ATL (and Delta's hub there) is a resounding success given what it accomplishes. Delta operates roughly 900 daily mainline and Delta Connection departures there; it is the largest single-airline hub in the world (and accomodates the most passengers on an annual basis). The fact that you *can* transfer from one end of T to the far end of E in 30 minutes is, I think, a testament to the soundness of the design of the terminal complex. And while I'm sure that Delta would LOVE to trade its gates on the D concourse for the C concourse and T gates it doesn't have, I doubt the other airlines would be too happy to go along with that. I believe Delta actually *did* want to take over what are now AirTran's C concourse gates when they became available as part of the Eastern bankruptcy estate, but they Delta was not allowed to. I think adding moving sidewalks to the concourses would improve the design by reducing walking distances, and certain areas need some cleaning up, but all in all the airport works well.

Moreover, the ATL airport design has been widely copied at other large airports like DEN, IAD, CVG, ORD (Terminal 1), and JFK (new Terminal 8) -- and I believe that's also an indication of the efficiency of the design in handling large traffic volumes.


User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5608 times:


What I dislike about DEN is that each Concourse could have up to 100 gates (per the signs in the each concourse). Yet, they only built one escalator to go up and down to the trains on each side of the train stations. Seems stupid to not have double escalators because I seem to always get stuck in a bottleneck even though there is not even close to that many gates.

DEN also is fixing one of the most stupid design problems they had - the area you stood to get the rental car shuttles had NO covering. So, you had to stand out in the elements.


User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5549 times:

ATA Hub at MDW is an armpit.. It smells like a combination of mildew and jet fuel not to mention the fact its pushing 60 years old and probably has not been renovated in 2 decades.. They are doing a new add on that looks decent however.. And the old NW terminal at DTW... Well when the earth farts I am thinking it comes out there

User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

I believe DEN does have double escalators up AND down, but only on Concourse B.


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User currently offlineAndersjt From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

I have heard B6's hub at LGB is no picnic. Oops, my bad, this thread was about the majors. Sorry!

Come on guys, don't pick on DEN, its fantastic. It is certainly better now than when operating out of Stapleton.

[Edited 2003-09-19 01:51:15]


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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

No affense to AA, but the terminal 9 JFK terminal is a dump! They are builing a new AA terminal right on top of the crappy old one, and they have only "Fridays" on the domestic concorse (gates 40-48.) Check in counters are old, and the baggage claim is right next to it.

ORD for UA is not that great considering the weather.




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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5436 times:


I'm not picking on DEN - overall it is a nice airport. It just irks me that we (the entire country) paid WAY too much money for this huge airport with lots of bells and whistles, some that didn't work (baggage sytem), while the real gateway airports are in dire need to updating (ORD, LAX for example). Just because Federico Pena was a former mayor and then DOT chairman gave them all the money they wanted.


User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5406 times:

Earth to Startvalve! ATA has been in the new terminal at MDW since October, 2001... The hub is quite nice now considering the land lock MDW is under.

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User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5392 times:

I like DEN alot and I think that UA has a great hub there. But you have to agree it is kind of BIG. Nothing against DEN, i think its a beautiful place. Its just kind of big for a hub.

25 B4real : N766UA - EWR - I like it. ? SFO - Bad CVG - Good ATL - Good & Bad - All Hell in A-T-L if it rains, cumbersome to traverse at times ORD - Good, but cro
26 HlywdCatft : Any hub that UA operates out of.
27 Klwright69 : There is no comparison between the old DEN Stapleton and the new airport. However the new Denver airport has FEWER gates than the old Stapleton..... H
28 Hartsfieldboy : Due to the large operations at ATL, there is no way you could have an airport of that size and not have people walk a few long distances. Not everythi
29 Redngold : Well, as much of a booster I am for my home airport, I'm really surprised nobody has mentioned CLE. Concourse C was built a long time ago and apparent
30 STT757 : CO's Terminal C is very modern, and it's retail stores are the highest grossing in the Nation, CO's C-3 has it's own International Arrivals hall. Dome
31 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Which big airlines operate out of the worst hubs? I think personally CO and EWR make for a pretty bad combonation. ROTFL. And it's so bad that almost
32 STT757 : The airline with the worst hubs is without a doubt Us Airways, Pittsburgh's population is actually shrinking every year. Charlotte has the lowest RASM
33 Paddy : B4real: I pretty much agree with your choices MSP: you are right on the money. It is a bit spread out. Seemed like I was on the conveyor belt forever
34 Seattle ops : "ORD is bad when there is weather".......what airport isnt bad when theres weather? DEN is a wonderful airport...if you stay in the B concourse.
35 Scottb : Well, I would have *DEFINITELY* mentioned BOS before if I considered it a real hub for anyone. BOS probably has the worst facilities -- bar none -- of
36 Gigneil : UA's SFO and DEN ORD is a beautiful hub, but a nightmare. I fly in every time wondering if I'm going to fly out. DEN I disagree with. DEN is a stunnin
37 JGPH1A : BA at LHR, no question at all. Operations are split across 3 (count 'em 3) unconnected terminals - terminals that have accreted like a cancer over the
38 IndustrialPate : RE: hub facilities that are dumps PHL wins, followed by IAH and MEM.
39 Ckfred : AA at LAX was a pain if connecting between Terminals 3 and 4. The shuttle bus never came, and the hike past the Bradley Terminal with a non-wheeled ba
40 Usairwys757 : I agree with AA and MIA, MIA is really in bad shape....its even worse than EWR. So AA and MIA ae a pretty bad combonation too.
41 DAL12 : Worst is Northwest and MEM -- A good reason why I could never see Northwest as anything other than a second rate airline
42 Singapore_Air : Virgin Atlantic Airways Limited and London Heathrow. What a cramped airport. Needless to say, the enthusiasm of departing from and arriving in to Heat
43 Fly_ATA : Startvalve must be living under a rock somewhere... ATA has been in place at the NEW MDW airport for sometime, and I have to say it's quite nice.
44 Jcs17 : EWR is fine for connecting flights on CO, I have never had a problem there. The signs and facilities are very good, and the new shops are pretty nice,
45 Bmacleod : I don't see Canadian airports mentioned here, but I'll just say that YYZ (Toronto) is the worst by far. I've been to YUL twice (Montreal), it seems OK
46 IndustrialPate : Worst is Northwest and MEM -- A good reason why I could never see Northwest as anything other than a second rate airline. That's one of the most ridic
47 SHUPirate1 : Regarding the US/UA hubs (specifically PHL, CLT, and ORD), PHL is bad...badly spread out, trying to go from A-West (or, for that matter, any non-Expre
48 Ha763 : If going strictly by the shape of the terminals, CO at IAH's Terminal C is in pretty bad shape. The concourses smelled moldy and many of the windows a
49 Triley1057 : I agree that the current condition of Terminal C at IAH is a dump but if you travel through there anytime soon, check out Terminal E. It's pretty impr
50 DAL12 : That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on a.net -- STL, IAH and PHL are just as bad (or worse) facilities than MEM & they house more
51 Post contains images FLYSSC : In the U.S, to me, IAD is worst airport I've ever seen. I just hate and find ridiculous this system of two terminals linked by these stupid bus-shuttl
52 RayBolt : I've been flying out of EWR on CO for many years now. I think that the Terminal C is real nice. It's not too hard to connect on flights there either.
53 Jsnww81 : ORD is busy, but really works very well, unless you're connecting from international to domestic, in which case the train ride from T5 is a pain. But
54 Vimanav : AI and BOM - I'd like to think that AI is a major airline and BOM as an airport is surely the worst place to arrive into. rgds//Vimanav
55 N766UA : Well last time I was in EWR, they had just finished th new terminal. There was dust on everything and plywood all over windows. Not to mention we walk
56 Bobs89irocz : ORD- really isnt bad, there weather crews kick ass durring snow storms. DFW- just sucks when you have to walk to another terminal, but AA is working o
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