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Mesa Kicks Off United Express CRJ-700 Service!  
User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Hey, I just heard that Mesa has just started their United Express CRJ-700 service, what I am wondering if indeed this is true, and what routes are the aircraft flying on? This is absolutely awesome! Anyways I have a feeling that the BAe146 aircraft are slipping from UA's Express fleet, as I know Air Wis has The CR7 on order! Anyways, any info, or gossip about this is welcome here.
bri

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User currently offlineMoPac From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

have a feeling that the BAe146 aircraft are slipping from UA's Express fleet

Do the CRJ-700s have enough kick to get our of ASE? If not then what will UA substitute to hot & high cities when the BAe-146s are gone? Furthermore, it seems UAL is using Air Wisconsin on fewer and fewer flights, aren't they owned by UAL and why would they use Mesa instead of the house brand for future Express flights?


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Now United has many delays and cancellations to look forward to.....hopefully Mesa/Freedom can get their act together!!

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3840 times:
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As I recall, UA no longer owns Air Wisconsin -- they did in the early 90s(?), but no longer.

User currently offlineOps48 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

The way I read it, Air Wisconsin will continue to provide United Express jet service, while Mesa will run Q200's and CRJ's. So, United Express will have Air Whisky and Mesa flying CRJ's.

F9 has stated publicly that they were disappointed in Mesa's on-time and reliability performance ratings, and thus decided to drop Mesa as their regional code share and sign a twelve year deal with Horizon. I guess it's a good thing they only put the Frontier Express livery on two CRJ's that I have seen. Some Mesa CRJ's are still naked save for the N number on the tail, very convenient.



User currently offlineEc From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Well HP isn't too happy with Mesa's performance either. HP finally is a solid reliable carrier and now they don't want to have their good rep soured by Mesa bad ops. HP also just amended the Rj contract to get rid of all the CR7 aircraft...wonder where they're going. Have fun UAL.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17544 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

They will need to keep the 146s unless they plan to drive the CR7s and CR9s up I-70 from DEN to ASE and EGE. I understand that a CRJ-200 can make it out of EGE with 12 pax and just barely enough fuel to get to DEN.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

Very true EC! I can vouch for that personally....they've been a nightmare for us!! (HP)

User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

dont forget though that the CR7 and CR9 have a huge operational difference than the CRJ200, leading edge slats. although the a/c were built much larger at the same time, leading edge slats were put in place to help a lil bit with the lift on t/o for some of those west coast cities. even in phx, which is hot, but not high, they have problems with the CRJ200 and t/o performance. i heard the erj in phx is even worst.

User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

There was a United Express CRJ-700 in STL yesterday. I don't know what it was there for though.

User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

because the first routes this month for United Express and the CR7 are DEN, STL, ONT, SLC, ABQ, PHX, LAX, and one more

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

How can Lufthansa, Comair, and ASA operate the CR7 successfully, and Mesa can't?
Anybody?


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Only see one running today, STL-DEN-PDX-DEN-STL...

Parks at concourse A at DEN I am told...

Jeffrey
CO/IAH



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Well if all the CR7s are leaving HP Express then the one that is schduled for service to EUG on OCT 15 might only last a couple of months! I was told AIr Wis planned on keeping some BAe146s around for the ski season each year, how ever I don't know if that is very acurate! I flew out of PHX in June on a 102 degree day, the CR2 we were on took an extreamly long time just to rotate! So who knows...

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Mesa's problem is not the CR7 - I think its more Mesa in general. United dumped Mesa unceremoniously a few years ago for the same reliability reasons.


Whisky flies the 146 to a variety of destinations, not just ASE and EGE, although clearly ASE and EGE require them if you want commercial jet service. AWX serves ASE from PHX with a Dash 8.

The problem isn't so much getting the plane off the ground as much as keeping it off the ground when an engine fails.

N


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Ok...i'm confusing the issue.
I read that ASA was quite pleased with the performance.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Like I say... the problem is not the performance of the plane.

N


User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

where is UA parking these planes in PDX, With the Skywest planes???

User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

The planes are great....Mesa has grown too quickly. This is the main reason for their unreliability...they also have crew issues...training, scheduling, the pilots forgetting which flight they are on (oye).

A big problem for the HPX operation has been the heat...in TUS the 900's they send us overheat all of the time...mostly the batteries. We haven't had any issues with weight restrictions, mostly mechanical problems of all kinds.

They basically haven't gotten very organized, they are more interested in growing and making money. Doug Parker, CEO of HP, stated we need to grow our mainline fleet more than the express fleet...give them time to catch up and get organized.

Ornstein is very much aware of the problems and has met with Parker to deal with the issues and get the problems resolved. Only time will tell!

The interiors they put in the planes for our flights were beautiful....light blue leather seats in F/C and the same pastel blue pattern as on our mainline fleet. Basically they look very similiar to our new Airbus interiors. Does anyone know if UA's fleet will have first class?? What does it look like?


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

CRJ7 N513MJ ops as UAX was at LAX this afternoon...looks great.


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

Does it have an ACA/ Air Wisconsin scheme (Blue winglets, Blue engines) or a Skywest scheme? ( Grey winglets with the small lines at the bottom, grey engines)

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Total ACA/Air Wisc scheme..winglets and engs.


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

OOPs...omitted the word 'blue'...


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
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