Ntspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2167 times:
I had always been under the assumption that the McNamara Terminal at DTW was built to be NW's "World Gateway," thus built somewhat exclusively for NW and its partners (CO and KL at the time). Then, I'd heard that since the NW/DL/CO agreement that DL would be moving ops to The World Gateway, which makes since due to the partnership.
However, is there any particular reason that BA and LH operate from this terminal? Having never been to DTW prior to McNamara opening I'm unaware if the old terminal with customs/immigration was torn down, forcing LH and BA need to use the new NW terminal or is it for another reason? But, if so, why doe RJ operate out of the Barry Terminal? I can see AC being in the Smith terminal since there's no need for customs/immigration upon arrival to the US.
Needless to say, I"m confused on the layout here.
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Pilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2118 times:
British Airways is still in the Barry Terminal (old intl. term). I don't know how Lufthansa got into the McNamara Terminal. It might be simply that LH was willing to pay a little extra for the use of that terminal while BA was not (just a guess though).
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HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2088 times:
BA is supposed to eventually move to the Mac, I am surprised it hasn't. They are building a (whatever they call their club for 1st class pax) in the Mac Terminal which is supposed to be right across the hall from where the Northwest World Club. I thought I remember something about them having to rebuild it or something along those lines because they weren't happy with it.
The reason why Lufthansa was moved to the Mac was because Customs wants to have all of their officers in one facility and they are just waiting on BA. I am not sure, but is Royal Jordanian still at Berry? I think eventually even international charters will be moved to the Mac while Berry will just be used for domestic charters like those increased Vegas trips in the winter etc.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2076 times:
DTW has a BIG International charter market that all use the Barry terminal and I can not imagine NW allowing them into there terminal.
Ntspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2070 times:
The last time I was in DTW was March '02, so to check up on the locations of the int'l carriers I went off of the DTW webpage. It has BA already in McN and RJ still being in Berry. So, unless they haven't updated, that's where they're still at.
Also, I noticed on the map of the Smith Terminal that there were two concourses on the map that were shaded differently, almost shadowed in. Am I correct in assuming that these are where NW was before moving?
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2027 times:
**Also, I noticed on the map of the Smith Terminal that there were two concourses on the map that were shaded differently, almost shadowed in. Am I correct in assuming that these are where NW was before moving?**
Yes and no.
Northwest was NEVER in the Smith Terminal, it was in the Davey Terminal. But those shaded areas that you see were the old Northwest concourses.
Concourse C was actually the Davey Terminal at one time. Located in C now is Spirit Airlines. They also chopped off the end of C at the top which used to be an extension and actually wasnt much more than 10 years old for the Northwest expansion there in the early 90s. That is now gone. Those other shaded areas on either side of the Marriot are Concourses D and E which were a part of the Davey Terminal. There actually are two more concourses F and G. F was where the Northwest/KLM International flights and some more domestic flights departed from and G was the "underground" concourse for Mesaba and later Express Airlines 1 (before it was called Pinnacle.)
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2004 times:
I flew BA out of DTW this past March/April and we did leave from the old Barry terminal.
Deltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1980 times:
Has anyone heard when DL will move to Mac? I talked to a gate agent back in May, and she thought August/Sept. Obviously not.
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1929 times:
BA will be moving over to the Midfield Terminal when it's contract expires which is soon. After which the Berry Terminal will be leveled, to make way for Northwest Cargo facility and part of the terminal extension from the Davey Terminal. No date has been set as yet. LH has been there since it opened becauseof the increased space for passenger waiting areas, use of dual loading jetbridges, and state of the art customs facilties. And the same for BA. The gates are A54(LH), and A56(BA).
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6874 posts, RR: 29 Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1922 times:
Now they are looking at a November timeframe for moving in...
Supposedly DL is going to share the CO gates on B, and then get a gate on C to operate their CRJ's
Also, NW did operate out of the Smith terminal at one point, prior to the merger with Republic in the 80's.
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1903 times:
When NW acquired RC, they operated from the "A" concourse while RC operated from the "D" and "E." After acquiring RC, NW left "A" and took over "F" (which housed AA and UA's operations). "G" opened up later. In December 1994, NW opened an extension of the "C" concourse and took over all of its older gates from DL and TW.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
I always thought AA operated out of the gate area that they are now at? I remember as a kid flying AA and they always operated out of the B gates.
Penguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 975 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1820 times:
There are actually two B terminals in DTW, the old Smith Terminal, and the Midfield Terminal.
There is an article in the Detroit Free Press about LH moving in. I don't have time to bring it up. I did my senior project on DTW so I have the information somewhere. I think it was because LH wanted better facitlities and negoiated with NW to move.
But if I recall correctly this was the plan:
Open new World Gateway, move NW down there. Open new runway.
Destroy old NW facitlities execpt for Marriott Hotel. Build new domestic terminal for all other airlines and connect with the Marriot and Big Blue (parking garage). It was suppose to be about 29-gates made in the same linear design as the World Gateway.
Once that opens, move all domestic ops, AA, UA, Spirit, etc, to new domestic gateway. Tear down Smith.
Berry remains open for charter operations during this time.
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1795 times:
I believe the airport/county demanded/requested LH/BA to move into the WorldGateway as having customs/immigration in one facility vastly reduced costs.
Penguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 975 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1777 times:
Timf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 954 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1704 times:
I wonder if the plans associated with tearing down everything but the Marriott will change now that it has closed. I still find it strange that in their original demolition last year they only tore down the concourses and not the hallways that connected the concourses.
Grrtvc From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 272 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1684 times:
During the construction of the WorldGateway it was up in the air as to whether or not BA, LH, and any other scheduled int'l carriers would operate from the WorldGateway. When push came to shove that NW wanted to build the new 2-bay 747 hangar adjacent to the Berry Int'l Terminal and demo 2 of the 6 gates, that the airport folks, more or less, made NW allow other scheduled int'l carriers into the WorldGateway.
Kind of funny that BA didn't really want to move and NW didn't want other carriers in the new terminal. Not sure about LH.
If I recall, I think it was always intended that charters would still operate int'l operations out of the Berry Terminal.
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1635 times:
**Also, NW did operate out of the Smith terminal at one point, prior to the merger with Republic in the 80's.**
My bad, they did operate out of Concourse A, but not as Northwest but as Northwest Orient in the 70s-80s. I remember them parking their 747s there, that was quite a sight to see. They were located basically where the Concourse A extension was put in.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1631 times:
So does that mean the Barry will stay for the charter market flights? Because it gets busy during the high season with all the International flights, anyone know the answer, please let me know. THANKS.
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1627 times:
**When NW acquired RC, they operated from the "A" concourse while RC operated from the "D" and "E." After acquiring RC, NW left "A" and took over "F" (which housed AA and UA's operations). "G" opened up later. In December 1994, NW opened an extension of the "C" concourse and took over all of its older gates from DL and TW.**
I remember UA being at Concourse F, but I don't recall AA being there in the 80s.
Infact I remember as a kid watching planes land and take off from where the west employee parking lot is, before they built the county warehouses seeing a United 727, 762 and a DC-10 lined up in a row on the north side of F, but I could swear Republic had the south side of F. This is circa 1985.
I also seem to remember Simmons Airlines parking about where Concourse G would be with their Emb 110s, Shorts 360s and Nihon YS11s.
AA as I recall was always in Concourse B. I flew Eastern Airlines out of TW / KDTW), USA - Michigan">DTW in 1986 and I remember being next to an AA 727.
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1621 times:
**BA will be moving over to the Midfield Terminal when it's contract expires which is soon. After which the Berry Terminal will be leveled, to make way for Northwest Cargo facility and part of the terminal extension from the Davey Terminal.**
Where would ATA and Apple Vacations and Ryan Air go then?
Dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1048 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
new to the forums, heres what the concourse layout was in 1970 at dtw
concorse A- northwest
concourse B- american, allegheny
concorse C- twa, delta, lake central
concorse D- eastern, braniff international
concorse E- north central ,also no jetways until about 1974
concorse F-united
all international carriers parked northeast of concorse A and pass. bussed to customs
hope that gives you an idea of early 70s dtw parking
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