GEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 838 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3429 times:
When WN came out with there latest good news report, they mentioned they might pull into a new city next year. I know every town with a runway wants WN there but Anyone got an inside on where? COS (Denver Area) somewhere near Atlanta (not hartsfield though too crowded for WN's quick turn time) Rapid City SD (haha I wish) or where???
GEG2RAP
Flyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3355 times:
It's a govt restriction....they actually can but the plane can only seat a certain number of seats. That's what Legend did with their DC9's and then AA copied them (to put them out of business, their usual territorial tactics) with F100's. I also believe CO used to fly the ERJ to EWR.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5336 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3295 times:
Seriously, do a serach for "Wright Amendment" and educate yourself. It's interesting stuff, the legalities behind Love Field. It was originally written to 'convince' airlines to move to the new DFW in 1974. It worked- only Southwest stayed!
But I would like to see them come out to GGG (Longview, Texas). I go to school here, and American Eagle is outrageously overpriced.
UN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4286 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3293 times:
In more detail It's called the "Wright Amendment" it was created to lure more people into Dallas/Ft Worth.
An aircraft 50 seats or under can go interstate (which at the time wasn't very common)
but a larger aircraft can only go within Texas and to a few select destinations.
-UN
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3274 times:
The Wright amendment prohibits any carrier from operating aircraft with more than 50 seats to states outside those adjacent to Texas and including Alabama, from Dallas Love Field
Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
Fresno (FAT) is probably one the most underserved airports in a major city in the United States. The largest aircraft scheduled into FAT is American's Super80's (DFW service) and Allegiant's MD80's (LAS service). I think WN would do very well here.
I live 30 miles from FAT at Lemoore NAS. Due to the higher fares at FAT, I usually drive to Los Angeles, Sacramento, or San Francisco to take advantage of the lower fares offered there. On a side note, Allegiant Air, Fresno's now ex-hometown airline, is moving most of its operations to LAS. If WN comes to FAT, bet on increased competition from United/Skywest on the FAT-LAX/LAS/SFO-area runs.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3245 times:
One thing we can all be sure of is the fact that WN will keep this under wraps until the very last minute. I think right now they most likely are going to connect the dots on there route map before adding new cities. I would not be surprised if they did not add a city at all next year 2004.
Lgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3078 times:
I think there will be 2 new cities next year for LUV...PIT,ABE,harrisburg(?),SFW or HPN......and the long shot COS...there is alot or talk about PIT around the System...as for new service from other southwest cities I thing you will see OAK-BWI,OAK-MCO&TPA,MHT-FLL,MHT-PHX,SNA-ABQ,LAS-PBI,LAX-TPA&MCO,SEA-BWI,PDX-MDW,ORF-PHX....ENJOY LgBGuY???
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7694 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3011 times:
I still personally think there is some sort of backroom Gentleman's Agreement between UA and WN that has prevented WN from flying into Colorado Springs (COS). There is major concern that if WN does start operations into COS using the former Western Pacific gates, they could considerably cut into UA's customer base at DEN, which could put UA into a even more major financial bind.
Mind you, WN would have huge amounts of traffic in and out of COS year-round. Besides the obvious winter recreation traffic, COS has a number of excellent resorts that operate in the summer, high tech industries in the area, and the USAF Academy to provide summer traffic.
Swafa30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2963 times:
I still personally think there is some sort of backroom Gentleman's Agreement between UA and WN that has prevented WN from flying into Colorado Springs (COS). There is major concern that if WN does start operations into COS using the former Western Pacific gates, they could considerably cut into UA's customer base at DEN, which could put UA into a even more major financial bind
Interesting thought. Many thought we would go right into COS right after WestPac folded. Heck...we even have a couple of their aircraft #657 and 658. Herb and Co. were not too concerned with UAs financials during the whole United Shuttle slugfest out in California back in the 90s and it has not deterred us from building quite a little operation in Chicago. Perhaps the past experience at DEN and our subsequent departure from that market left such a bad taste, that Colorado is off the 'to-do' list indefinitely. In a city with as much pent up demand for LuvJet service as everyone thinks COS seems to have...it would seem foolish to enter the market unless and until you have the aircraft to handle the traffic. Short of buying another carrier, we can only get our hands on so many aircraft per year. As it stands those aircraft are easily being absorbed into the system to 'connect the dots' between existing markets. Assuming COS will not be announced this year, the more likely reason is that there as simply more tempting and lucrative offers on the table. Also don't discount the jetBlue effect on our strategic planning. With their explosive growth over the past few years, staying one step ahead of them has to be figuring into every move WN makes as we begin to grow again.
Of course, while we're discussing all this they could be nailing up the SWA signage at COS right this minute.
Customs172 From Japan, joined Sep 2003, 58 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2954 times:
Well, Brons2
When you have been traveling for around 30 hours with a small child and your tired and dirty and just want sleep, I find that its a little better to sit in a Saab 340 for 30 minutes instead of a car for 2 hours. Hmm.......
Brons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2969 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2935 times:
Well, Brons2
When you have been traveling for around 30 hours with a small child and your tired and dirty and just want sleep, I find that its a little better to sit in a Saab 340 for 30 minutes instead of a car for 2 hours. Hmm.......
But are you going to pay $300 extra for that priviledge??
I'd rather fly, honestly, but there is a breakeven point on that. I just booked a couple of DAL-AUS flights when they were on sale for $34 each way last week. That is most definitely worth it, because I am traveling alone and in my truck, the gas alone would probably cost me $50.
BUT, if i was doing a similar shorthaul where the airfares were more expensive, if gas prices were lower, if I had several other people going with me and splitting the costs, etc, then a short flight might not make so much sense economically.
Bottom line, for $68 I'm flying. For $300, I'm driving. Simple as that.
Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
Cloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2921 times:
I doubt WN is going to make any final decisions on where to move in 2004 until every financially strapped carrier's fate is firmly decided. American, United, and USair are still in danger. We have already seen major cutbacks from American and are likely to see more from United in the next few months. Only when the final fallout from the recession and 9/11 is determined is WN going to move. It could make a major difference in where they choose to go.
My guess is they have a short list of a half dozen cities they are ready to move into in short order. The final outcome of the latest bankruptcies and cutbacks will determine which 1 or 2 get lucky. WN has been known to quickly snap up opportunities when other carriers fold or abandon markets.
25 Geg2rap: I agree WN is in the stop it is in because it does not jump on the stop, WN says it has to have 10 737 flights to come into an area, do think people w
26 Customs172: Well, Also when the only car you own is in Japan, and mom is afraid to drive in Dallas (i duno) I dont mind that much. I will happily pay it, but it w
27 Jhooper: Where would WN fly to in Atlanta besides Hartsfield?
28 IndustrialPate: WN says it has to have 10 737 flights to come into an area, do think people will drive 70 miles to COS? I dont know what the security at DEN or COS is
29 USAFHummer: I think ABE is an ideal location for WN...perfectly positioned to steal traffic from EWR and PHL...but Southeast already has a small lowfare operation
30 AV8AJET: Could MCN (Macon, GA) work for WN? It's close to ATL and very low traffic. Only about an hour airport to airport drive, numerous shuttle services all
31 Ual777contrail: WN Wont be coming into the springs anytime soon. people did drive from south DEN to fly WEST PAC but we got a lot of the traffic as well. Rumor has al
32 JGPH1A: It does seem to me that Colorado is a BIG hole in the WN route network - COS would seem a very obvious choice. Service to DEN is pretty restricted, ev
33 Dragon-wings: Any new destinations out of Islip? (ISP/KISP)
34 RayChuang: Let me explain the reason why WN has yet to choose Colorado Springs (COS) as their next destination. Consider UA's still precarious situation. Whateve
35 Luv2fly: I really feel that WN will not be adding any city until 2005, maybe late 2004 tho I really doubt it before 2005. I think they are waiting for the dust
36 Ual777contrail: RAY, I hope you don't actually believe the crap you are printing. Think for a second RAY, if WN cant put UA out of business now they sure as hell aren
37 DCA-ROCguy: UAL777contrail, your dogged support for your employer is admirable. Someone has to do it. If Southwest wanted to enter COS, they would, and they would
38 BoingGoingGone: Madison (MSN) - STL or MDW Billings (BIL) - SMF or LAS Those two stand out.
39 Flyboyaz: I also agree COS would be a great new city. It's very close to DEN and the fares in COS are very high. WP probably would have done great if it had not
40 DSMav8r: FAT wouldn't be a bad choice...They have a decent metro population, larger than many current WN cities. Flights to PHX, LAS, LAX, stand out as potenti
41 FATFlyer: Luv2fly, Guess you missed Friday's Dow Jones news interview with Gary Kelly. Kelly said Southwest will probably add another city to its route system i
42 FATFlyer: Potential FAT flights? Just off the top of my head (No research just putting things in that make sense based on travel patterns) I can put together: F
43 Luv2fly: FATFlyer I did miss that, thanks for pointing it out. Tho it does say "probably" I still feel it will not likely happen or if it does it will be late
44 PVD757: ABE stands out in my mind. If you want to go somewhere in Georgia besides Atl, my guess would be Savannah. PIT is a definite no because of the high co
45 STT757: Forget about HPN, not WN's kind of airport and restricted and monitored by nimbys like crazy. They even close the parking garages in an effort to keep
46 5280AGL: Lincoln, nah...It is practically a large Omaha suburb, or will be very soon.
47 F9Widebody: I agree WN is in the stop it is in because it does not jump on the stop, WN says it has to have 10 737 flights to come into an area, do think people w
48 Ual777contrail: DCA-ROC, Thanks, but I still don't think WN holds the gun in its hand at UAL. They would thrive in COS, but it wouldn't kill UAL. I personaly don't ca
49 Ncflyer: I'm surprised no one mentions DAY, it's a decent size metro area (1MM) and it can draw from CVG, which is one of the worst fortress hubs in the countr
50 IndustrialPate: I'm surprised the Toledo cheerleaders haven't mentioned their city yet .
51 DCA-ROCguy: DCA-ROC, Thanks, but I still don't think WN holds the gun in its hand at UAL. They would thrive in COS, but it wouldn't kill UAL. I personaly don't ca
52 JGPH1A: DSMAv8r - Others include GSO, ABE, and GRR Don't think GSO somehow, its only an hour down the highway from RDU, where WN have a significant presence -
53 SunValley: Back when WN acquired MorrisAir, Morris was serving both Denver &Colorado Springs. They dropped both the day Morris became Southwest. (among other cit
54 Luv2fly: TOL is WAY to small to support the amount of flights WN requires for a new city. DAY is possible, tho WN does serve CMH and that is just a little over
55 Flyinryan99: "I'm surprised the Toledo cheerleaders haven't mentioned their city yet ." No need to mention "our city". DTW is better off with WN with more possibil
56 PVD757: I want to add PNS to the list, big navy place (ORF, JAX flights?) Close enough to Panama City(?) kind of a long shot, but they might fly below the rad
57 Cpharris5514: I would love to see WN come into Des Moines. With AA getting ready to drastically reduce their schedule out of STL come 11/1/03 (DSM's only airline to
58 IFLYMCO: What about WN coming to DAB? Somewhat out of the way airport, but still in a fairly populated area about an hour and a half drive from MCO. I think t
59 Ual777contrail: DCA-ROCGUY, You know what I would like and that is figures and facts from the old shuttle days. Like the LAX-SFO numbers. I have heard differently abo
60 TxAgKuwait: UAL Contrail: If you will provide me with some dates that UA Shuttle & WN were going head to head, I might be able to dig you some facts and figures o
61 Ual777contrail: TXAG, That is so nice of you, i dont have a certain time period. I just want to see the time that we ran shuttle VS WN in the LAX area. I just want to
62 GEG2RAP: UAL would have killed WN would their flight attendents have a sense of humor. Flying UA is like taking library class in college. You never do it again
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