Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Swiss Suspends Shares: Oneworld Or Star Near?  
User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

http://www.iii.co.uk/shares/?type=news&articleid=4750828&action=article


British Airways PLC confirmed that talks have been held with Swiss International Air Lines Ltd over the possibility of the Swiss airline joining the BA-led OneWorld alliance.
Earlier today, 'Swiss' shares were suspended on the SWX Swiss Exchange until tomorrow at 2.00 pm at the airline's request.

Weekend press reports suggested the airline's board is meeting today to make a final decision over a possible alliance.

"We've been having discussions with Swiss for quite some time about possible commercial agreements but we cannot comment on the suspension of their shares," a BA spokeswoman told AFX News.

The other option said to be under consideration by the 'Swiss' board is the possibility of joining the Star Alliance, of which Lufthansa AG is a member.

BA's interest in 'Swiss' is understood to have arisen as a result of pressure from OneWorld partner American Airlines, which is said to be concerned about recent negotiations between 'Swiss' and Lufthansa.



Lets Wait and see...


35 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

Hopefully, Swiss will choose OneWorld and that BA would not be stupid enought to block their entry.


Work Hard But Play Harder
User currently offlineManairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

If BA has confirmed that it has been having talks with Swiss why would it want to block entry to OneWorld?

User currently offlineSk From Germany, joined Apr 2003, 75 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

I'm not sure what will come next.

Let us read the following 4 headlines of today or the last weeks together:

1. LH is interested in taking over Swiss an activities are on the way - several facts known (newspaper articel in "Welt am Sonntag")

2. LX shares has been suspended from trading until tomorrow

3. the german chancelor announced that there may be a political way for the problems for ZRH approaches above germany

That's all announced today or yesterday

and the 4th and also interesting points:

4. LX suspended some very interesting routes which LH wanted to suspend them - the last suspended route had been ZRH-IAD - will we see UA in ZRH again?

So - everybody is allowed to think and/or wish what he/she wants, but for my opinion it's a pretty clear picture of what will happen. But we will se in a few hours - or maybe not  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

Latest news is that a final decision will be made.
There will be a press conference tomorrow morning.

RJ100



none
User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

It would seem to me that there are the same problems facing a BA/Swiss merger as there was with a BA/KL merger.
Problem is that BA does not have an opesnkies with the US and Swiss has said that ws a problem in times past. Swiss would lose the ability to do things it can do now if it got taken over by BA.
With a takeover by LH those issues do not come into play.
On the other hand there may be enough pressure by AA for BA to do something drastic to keep from losing ground to other alliances. ZRH would give BA a place to move some long haul flights etc. so that slots at LHR can be opeend up for an eventual openskies and an AA/BA anti trust immunity.
So I think this Swiss deal is to close to call which alliance it will join. Though I give a slight edge to Star Alliance. It is interesting that they are dropping the IAD-ZRH flight. We shall see.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2888 times:


Hi!

I think we've seen a "lot of noise" about the possibility of SWISS beeing absorved by LH when infact it doesn't look that clear. I know that now AF and KL are getting together the bigger airlines want to find out their partners too in Europe, of course we're not talking about small airlines like TAP, Aer Lingus or others but medium to large airlines like SWISS, Alitalia, Iberia etc. I think because SWISS already have a strong code-share with AA and BA also is in the same aliance with AA it's almost clear that SWISS could actually joint BA instead of LH, we'll but it looks clear to me that BA is closer than LH, and if we want to compare BA is way better than LH!!!
Regards


User currently offlineTeahan From Belgium, joined Nov 1999, 5287 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

A decision has been taken and a media conference will take place in Hangar 3 of the SR Technics maintenance base at Zurich Airport, tomorrow at 10:00.

Any final bets?

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

SR Technics maintenance... interesting name. Well some things don't change so quickly.

I bet on Star Alliance. I'll donate £0.10 to Airliners.net if I lose.

Swiss International Air Lines - A Member of Star Alliance? - The Airline Network For Earth (No exclamation mark)  Big grin



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2768 times:


Hi!

OK, it's bet time!!! I'll personally cook a swiss fondu ( with true emmenthal and gruyere & kirch ) to anyone that wants to come buy by place in Lisbon/Portugal if SWISS doens't go to ONE WORLD!!! I'll do it portuguese style, with portuguese bread but also with peeled shrimp!
Regards


User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

My money is on oneworld too  Smile

User currently offlineTeahan From Belgium, joined Nov 1999, 5287 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Singapore_Air,

What about this.

IF they do join Star Alliance, I'll add you to my RU list (unless you have some better suggestion?) . If on the other hand, they join OneWorld, you cannot make a single post about Singapore Airlines (or Singapore Airlines Ltd., or Singapore Airlines, A Member of Star Alliance or whatever other names you like to call them) for one whole month.

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Waaaaaa!

I dunno. What if I lose. Think of the emotion building up that can't be unleashed and heard?!

How about a week?  Big grin



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

CV990: Like you I hope, bet and pray for Oneworld.
BTW don't ever put Emmental cheese into a fondue. This is ugly and really the wrong one  Wink/being sarcastic
(for fondue: Gruyere, Raclette, Vacherin fribourgois and perhaps Appenzeller)


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2591 times:


Hi ZRH!

It's good to have some fondue clues in the middle of what aliance SWISS will join! Well about the Emmental I got that from a swiss, but I understand fondue change from canton to canton! I tried already the Appenzeller once ( actually when I return to Portugal this December I stop by Herisau so I hope to have another one.... ) and the Vacherin Fribourgois, both very good, the Appenzeller was more active but tasty, the Vacherin was more soft but also very, very good. Now one question to a connaiseur, can I use Tilziter on the fondue too? Because that cheese is just fantastic, and you have to agree the OLD Emmental just plain with bred is awsome right?
Well I wait your feedback and we'll celebrate both when SWISS joint the One World!
regards


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1595 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Swiss also announced that it is stopping its Washington service.

BA's original objection, as I understand it, to Swiss joining oneworld was competition on the same (north atlantic) routes.

Removing Washington is maybe a sign of Swiss caving in to BA pressure on entry to oneworld?


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Sorry guys I have to answer CV990 although it is of topic, but I don't have his e-mail. @CV990: yes you could use Tilsiter. The problem with Emmentaler is that this cheese makes strong strings and it is not nice to eat.
Sorry again guys, but CV990, you could write me an e-mail and we can discuss without bothering the other members  Smile/happy/getting dizzy You find my address in my profile.


User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Removing Washington is maybe a sign of Swiss caving in to BA pressure on entry to oneworld?

That's an excellent thought! Could well be as entering OneWorld will not be cheap...


User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

If its Star Alliance I will take user "Teahan" off my respect list.

If its One World I will buy user "Teahan" a half price bus ticket next time he comes to Geneva. Big grin

Tim


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Just for the bettings sake: My money is on LH/Star.

Just a detail: neither LH nor BA would take over LH completely, due to problems with open skies / bilateral agreements. It's only about a partial take over, up to 49%.

My bet: a genuine Fondue recipe  Wink/being sarcastic

Cheers
Gerardo



dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2384 times:


Hi!

I'm starting to be anxious here due to the fondue!!! ZRH I'll contact you asap ok?
Now if SWISS pulled out of IAD they still have North Atlantic routes competing with BA, does that mean that SWISS will have to give up of all their routes and maintain only JFK both from ZRH and GVA? I think there's still space for SWISS to keep some of their routes like LAX, Montreal, MIA right?
Regards and I'm seeing the fondue in the end of the tunnel already!!!


User currently offlineBusinessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

The Financial Times is reporting that Swiss is set to join OneWorld. BA is not going to take an equity stake in Swiss but will buy a significant number of Swiss's slots at Heathrow giving Swiss an immediate cash injection...

User currently offlineORD Boy 2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

IHT is saying theres a deal between the pilots of SWISS and LH so my money is on Star

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Only a few more hours to go... no news yet??

User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Swiss public radio RSR reports that OneWorld is the winner Big grin
The Financial times online also reports that OneWorld has won. I'll try and get some links up.

Tim


25 Post contains links Boieng747-400 : Some links: Financial Times Germany (In German) http://www.ftd.de/ub/di/1064044987767.html?nv=hptn NZZ (Zurich, Switzerland) http://www.nzz.ch/2003/09
26 Post contains links Boieng747-400 : From http://www.Justplanes.com Swiss Will make an announcement at 1000 this morning about its future plans. It is expected that Swiss will announce th
27 StevenUhl777 : oneworld it is...Didn't Swissair belong to oneworld before they folded and gave rise to Swiss? Or was it just a codeshare? I think those ties are the
28 Gerardo : Swissair was not member of Oneworld. They had codeshares with most Oneworld airlines, just as SWISS now. But Oneworld was always said to be the best o
29 Star_member : SWISS will not survive with BA and Oneworld. BA is only interested in stripping SWISS of its slots at LHR. It is clear they have no interest in the fu
30 Aussie747 : ONE WORLD IT IS!! Good for me personally a lot of people ex Australia hate having to go through LHR just to get to ZRH. now either LX or QF will perha
31 Post contains images Gerardo : LX or QF flying SYD-ZRH directly? There's a song about this: "Dream another dream, this dream is over" You can still fly LX to SIN or BKK and either B
32 Post contains images Unique : LX or QF flying SYD-ZRH directly? There's a song about this: "Dream another dream, this dream is over" Fact is that even SR had traffic rights to fly
33 Post contains links Airways : QF and LX do already have a codeshare via FRA. And I don't think that they're going to change that in the near future. But it would be cool to see Qan
34 Stefandotde : For me it's clear: LH shouldn't buy LX (or SR, anyway). Oneworld should get it. Not good for LX but LH. We can count the days till LX collapses.
35 JGPH1A : Kiss LX goodbye then - I would guess that BA only wants them for the slots at LHR, and to get rid of a competitor to Africa and the Middle East. With
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Oneworld Or Star Alliance? posted Mon Aug 16 1999 10:08:19 by Ciro
Oneworld And Star Baggage Question. posted Tue May 30 2006 04:42:41 by SpringbokUSA
Latin America: Skyteam Vs Oneworld Vs Star posted Wed Jul 6 2005 02:28:10 by Luisde8cd
GStar And/or Star Airlines Chile posted Wed Mar 30 2005 17:40:04 by Debonair
Where Would You See AZ? SkyTeam Or Star Alliance? posted Sun Mar 7 2004 15:27:58 by VCE
Oneworld Vs Star Alliance - Whats The Difference posted Tue Mar 2 2004 04:32:03 by KLM11
A Lowcost Version Of Skyteam Or Star? posted Sun Dec 28 2003 13:38:46 by Md80spirit
El Al 777 With No Titles Or Star? posted Sun Oct 26 2003 00:14:10 by Sunilgupta
Swiss Suspends 4 Routes From GVA posted Sat Jul 12 2003 01:47:25 by ContinentalEWR
OneWorld Or Skyteam For KLM? posted Tue Mar 25 2003 02:41:06 by JAL